Isnt this just wonderfull. Senate Democracts clear health care hurdle - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

#16 12-21-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by C280 Sport

People spending money helps the economy. Gov spending money is a nightmare because its like handing then an open check book. Gov. needs to cut back if anything and give tax breaks to more companies to create jobs.

Not that I enjoy paying taxes, buy don't you think that money spent by the government also makes it back into the general economy? Do you think that government spending also creates jobs, or is it somehow different from private spending?

dannym · #17 12-21-2009, 02:57 PM

Are you sure your not just mad because the real estate values in Venice have taken a serious nose dive??

C280 Sport · #18 12-21-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig

Not that I enjoy paying taxes, buy don't you think that money spent by the government also makes it back into the general economy? Do you think that government spending also creates jobs, or is it somehow different from private spending?

The issue I have is that Gov. wont make jobs for people. Look at what occurs now. Its people who make a difference and create jobs. Not Gov. All they know how to do is create Gov. jobs. But we cant have everyone working for the state or the Gov. We need Gov to give tax cuts and let entrepreneurs create jobs. Thats how this country became great. It was only done by hard work and money well spent. That is the only thing that will save the young generation of this country. Its going to be a rocky road for the young generation.

SirNik84 · #19 12-21-2009, 03:00 PM

It doesn't take a wonderful victory for the Dems to gloat. they do it all the time... shoot Al Gore is gloating about being right about global warming as the trains in the Chunnel get trappled bcause they have snow stuck in their intakes... SNOW first time for that in the history of the Chunnel....

To gloat is in the nature of the Liberal... the gloating after this health care bill is passed will be so bad it will make the bill its self look like nothing.

I agree on all points above about the governemnt taking to much controle from the people. My setpmothers mom was a refugee from the Ukrane when it was taken over by USSR. She will tell you... this has all happend before. She is a little upset thses days, and she is (was) a Democrat

SirNik84 · #20 12-21-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by C280 Sport

The issue I have is that Gov. wont make jobs for people. Look at what occurs now. Its people who make a difference and create jobs. Not Gov. All they know how to do is create Gov. jobs. But we cant have everyone working for the state or the Gov. We need Gov to give tax cuts and let entrepreneurs create jobs. Thats how this country became great. It was only done by hard work and money well spent. That is the only thing that will save the young generation of this country. Its going to be a rocky road for the young generation.

Agree 100%

"A nation trying to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket trying to lift himself up by the handle."-Winston Churchill

C280 Sport · #21 12-21-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dannym

Are you sure your not just mad because the real estate values in Venice have taken a serious nose dive??

Ha ha ha. Yes Venice/Sarasota area did take a nose dive but the proporty I have down there is what I purchased for my personal use. The only time was when I bought a place down on Manasota Key and flipped it. That was investment. The place down there now is for a getaway. The priced has dropped on it by about $200,000 but I didnt buy it looking to make anything off of it. The only reason I rent it out is to cover the taxes. Besides that area is comming back. Things are moving again but that whole area is right on the Gulf of Mexico and the values will always be high.

C280 Sport · #22 12-21-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SirNik84

Agree 100%

"A nation trying to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket trying to lift himself up by the handle."-Winston Churchill

You have learned very

well young person.

Excelent quote as well.

#23 12-21-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by C280 Sport

The issue I have is that Gov. wont make jobs for people. Look at what occurs now. Its people who make a difference and create jobs. Not Gov. All they know how to do is create Gov. jobs. But we cant have everyone working for the state or the Gov. We need Gov to give tax cuts and let entrepreneurs create jobs. Thats how this country became great. It was only done by hard work and money well spent. That is the only thing that will save the young generation of this country. Its going to be a rocky road for the young generation.

I understand your point, but it's not entirely true. If they fund a highway project, do you see a bunch of government employees out there placing concrete? I agree that there is more overhead in government contracting than in private business, but those funds do make it back into the economy. Even government employees have to buy food, clothes, and housing from someone. I wouldn't worry to much about the younger generation, there are opportunities all over the world, including the U.S., for anyone who has a clue.

If you are just saying that you would prefer less government, I actally agree.

MTI · #24 12-21-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SirNik84

It doesn't take a wonderful victory for the Dems to gloat. they do it all the time... shoot Al Gore is gloating about being right about global warming as the trains in the Chunnel get trappled bcause they have snow stuck in their intakes... SNOW first time for that in the history of the Chunnel....

To gloat is in the nature of the Liberal... the gloating after this health care bill is passed will be so bad it will make the bill its self look like nothing.

I agree on all points above about the governemnt taking to much controle from the people. My setpmothers mom was a refugee from the Ukrane when it was taken over by USSR. She will tell you... this has all happend before. She is a little upset thses days, and she is (was) a Democrat

GOP gloat denier.

What a well reasoned and nuanced comparison between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Until now I have not realized how they are one and the same.

C280 Sport · #25 12-21-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig

I understand your point, but it's not entirely true. If they fund a highway project, do you see a bunch of government employees out there placing concrete? I agree that there is more overhead in government contracting than in private business, but those funds do make it back into the economy. Even government employees have to buy food, clothes, and housing from someone. I wouldn't worry to much about the younger generation, there are opportunities all over the world, including the U.S., for anyone who has a clue.

If you are just saying that you would prefer less government, I actally agree.

Of course you need Gov. employees. Thats true. But we dont need as much as we have now. Lots of wasted money being spent. We do agree on this. We need less Gov. There is too much.

As far as the younger generation. Oh boy do I worry. Like you said. There is opportunity all over. There is lots of money to be made. Its unfortunatly lots of them are cluless about life in general. For God sake I was at the CVS one day and there was a young kid about 22-23 around my sons age and the kid was crying about having to work a whole 5 hours on finals week. BOOO WHOO. When I was young I worked and went to College. Things are made easier now a days. No reason why he cant do what I did nearly 30 years ago.

MTI · #26 12-21-2009, 03:39 PM

Are there too many fed workers? I seem to recall that federal employee job growth was below 1% for the past decade. On the public sector side, declines in manufacturing jobs aren't being balanced off by gains in other sectors such as health care.

#27 12-21-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by C280 Sport

Of course you need Gov. employees. Thats true. But we dont need as much as we have now. Lots of wasted money being spent. We do agree on this. We need less Gov. There is too much.

As far as the younger generation. Oh boy do I worry. Like you said. There is opportunity all over. There is lots of money to be made. Its unfortunatly lots of them are cluless about life in general. For God sake I was at the CVS one day and there was a young kid about 22-23 around my sons age and the kid was crying about having to work a whole 5 hours on finals week. BOOO WHOO. When I was young I worked and went to College. Things are made easier now a days. No reason why he cant do what I did nearly 30 years ago.

As they say, youth is wasted on the young.

I wish I had a clue when I was 20, I wouldn't have spent 20 years working for other people, but you live and learn (sometimes).

Today's kids are probably no worse than we were, and they probably have a more realistic view of "job security." We were the last generation that actually had some expectation of spending an entire career doing one thing in one place. I think current 20-year olds understand that they will have many different "jobs," and live in many different places (probably several different countries) if they want to succeed. I think the next 30 years will be more interesting than the last 30, I hope I'm around that long to play in the new economy.

Regarding the size of government; I would like to see it smaller, but I can play whatever game is available. If government contracts are available, I'll take them; if there are more private projects, thats fine; if the interesting projects are in china, that's where I'm going. It doesn't really matter, you make your own opportunities. Public policy will always be a generation behind the curve.

LUVMBDiesels · #28 12-21-2009, 03:50 PM

Can we get away from name calling and back to the topic?

This quote says it all and it is from the Lefties themselves:
"For this reason Mr. Steuerle concludes that the Senate bill is not just a new health system but also "a new welfare and tax system" that will warp the labor market. Given the incentives of these two-tier subsidies, employers with large numbers of lower-wage workers like Wal-Mart may well convert them into "contractors" or do more outsourcing. As more and more people flood into "free" health care, taxpayer costs will explode."

This is going to explode like an atomic bomb. I can see all these companies such as Walmart, Sears, GM, etc closing their insurance roles and forcing people onto Obamacare. This is not going to be a "safety net" but a catch all annd WE are going to be paying for it. I am especially incensed about having to pay for Nebraska's share!

#29 12-21-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

"For this reason Mr. Steuerle concludes that the Senate bill is not just a new health system but also "a new welfare and tax system" that will warp the labor market. Given the incentives of these two-tier subsidies, employers with large numbers of lower-wage workers like Wal-Mart may well convert them into "contractors" or do more outsourcing."

That seems unlikely. I have worked as an independent contractor; there are some very specific IRS rules regarding the distinction between an employee and a contractor. Someone who works fixed hours and takes direction from a manager would have issues if they tried to classify themselves as a contractor. This is a pretty silly argument.

However, I would have a concern that some small businesses might see this as a disincentive to provide health insurance as part of a benefits package.

JollyRoger · #30 12-21-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by C280 Sport

All the damn issues in the world and they want to sit and screw around with this stupid bill. Much more important things to worry about.

Not one Republican has been involved in this bill. Not one has voted for it. At this point, it is a compromise among Democrats. Why do you even care at all? Thanks for letting us govern.