Time for a history lesson: Kennedy got us in, Johnson got us in BIGGER and Nixon got us out.

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Perhaps the reference was to the "Red Scare" that was being fostered in the 50's and 60's. Eisenhower was notably dubious about "a land war in Asia" in light of the experiences of the Korean Conflict.

As for Nixon getting us out . . . let's just say it wasn't for lack of trying to keep us in and expanding the battlefields.

Spin it any way you want. Fact is, the Vietnam war went from a minor skirmish to half a million troops under LBJ (D). It got smaller under Nixxon (R), and ended under Ford (R).

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Yes, Kennedy sent advisors, in the early sixties.

Johnson was pres from 64 to 68 and did expand the war significantly, and under pressure from Bobby Kennedy among others who represented people who did not want to continue the war bowed out of the 68 presidential race.

bobby was on the way to winnning the democratic nomination when he was assassinated.

Nixon was elected on the bogus premise that he had a plan to get us out of Vietnam that was secret.

His secret was turned out to be to expand the war by bombing cambodia etc. He was pres and re elected in 72 only after George Wallace was assassinated (unsuccessfully) and taken out of the race.

We finally pulled out of Vietnam in I believe 73 and he resigned in disgrace in I believe 74, so to lay the war on anybody other than Nixon seems a little lame since he presided over six years of it, a year more than Johnson after being elected on the secret plan to get us out of it.

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Revisionist liberal pretzel logic! If it only was the way I want to remember it now!

LBJ took the US involvement from an advisory role and committed US ground combat eventually to over 500,000 troops after using the incident on August 2, 1964 and August 4, 1964 in the Gulf Of Tonkin with the USS Maddox and USS Turner Joy to persuade Congress to pass the Southeast Asia Resolution, Public Law 88-408, commonly refered to as the Tonkin Gulf Resolution on August 7, 1964. LBJ ordered and began the bombing of Laos in 1964

"Within hours, President Johnson ordered the launching of retaliatory air strikes (Operation Pierce Arrow) on the bases of the North Vietnamese boats and announced, in a television address to the American public that same evening, that U.S. naval forces had been attacked. Johnson requested approval of a resolution "expressing the unity and determination of the United States in supporting freedom and in protecting peace in southeast Asia". He said that the resolution should express support "for all necessary action to protect our Armed Forces"– but repeated previous assurances that "the United States... seeks no wider war". As the nation entered the final three months of political campaigning for the 1964 elections (in which Johnson was standing for election), the president contended that the resolution would help "hostile nations... understand" that the United States was unified in its determination "to continue to protect its national interests."["

Nixon's policy of "Vietnamization" began in early 1969 and was characterised by disengagement and withdrawal of US troops and the accelerated training and arming of the ARVN. On August 12, 1972 the last American ground combat division left the country. On January 15, 1973, citing progress in peace negotiations, Nixon announced the suspension of all offensive actions against North Vietnam, to be followed by a unilateral withdrawal of all U.S. troops. The Paris Peace Accords on "Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam" were signed on January 27, officially ending direct U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

In fact it was that other Nobel Peace Prize winning democrat US President Woodrow Wilson; who when, Ho Chi Min under the name of Nguyễn Ái Quốc (Nguyen the Patriot), he petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the Versailles peace talks, but was ignored. Citing the language and the spirit of the U.S. Declaration of Independence, Quốc petitioned U.S. President Woodrow Wilson for help to remove the French from Vietnam and replace it with a new, nationalist government. His request was ignored.

Reading your post I cannot see how we disagree on facts. You seem to choose to think of Nixon as a hero. I see him as a criminal. Not too much different than the polarized veiws of him back when he was pres.

Not revisionist at all.

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"We had to destroy it in order to save it."


Pretzel logic --- indeed..

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Damn Jim, really you can’t do better than regurgitating that worn totemic of the America hating left! One of the earliest fabricated quotes by none other than the thoroughly discredited CNN/ NBC/Saddam Hussein Propagandist/ Peter Arnett! Yeah that Peter Arnett the one who later also infamously fabricated the Operation Tailwind (US using SARIN gas to a exterminate a Laotian village containing American deserters circa 1970!) story that humiliated CNN, from which he was never again seen! NBC obviously considered all this sterling credentials and posted him to Bagdad! From which he was fired!

It didn’t happen! The town of 50,000, not a village of Ben Tre was not destroyed but heavily damaged, only a few Americans where involved in the fighting there. The New York Times ran Arnett’s AP dispatch with the fabricated quote to which Arnett attributed to an “unidentified officer”, it has to be noted that to this day Arnett has steadfastly refused to identify the source of his “fabriciquotation”

Pages 43 & 44
The quote verifier: who said what, where, and when
By Ralph Keyes

http://books.google.com/books?id=d6JZryGvfxYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+quote+verifier:+who+said+what,+where,+and+when+By+Ralph+Keyes&cd=1&hl=en#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Arnett worked for AP during the Viet Nam war. CNN didn't exist at the time. Arnett later worked for CNN for 18 years, so your suggestion that CNN was "humiliated" and Arnett was "never seen again" is glaringly false.
According to your linked article, Army Major Phill Canella told Arnett "it was a shame the town was destroyed". Again your suggestion it didn't happen is just plain wrong.