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aklim 12-30-2009 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2371335)
Does that presume that "private transport" operates profitably? It could be argued that private transport is heavily subsidized.
How so? We pay for the roads that are built among other things from fuel taxes. I suppose if you want to talk GM, yes, it is subsidized.

Chas H 12-30-2009 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2371324)
Do they? Or do they pass it on? I know that if the cost goes up for me, I pass it on to the customer so I can make a profit. To a point, I might eat some of the loss but generally, I push it to the customer.
Businesses do both. My point was the individual can't do anything.

aklim 12-30-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2371341)
Businesses do both. My point was the individual can't do anything.
Agreed. His choices are to take it up the butt or take it up the butt or for a change, take it up the butt.

davidmash 12-30-2009 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2371335)
Does that presume that "private transport" operates profitably? It could be argued that private transport is heavily subsidized.
That was my question I guess. Does the NYC public trans system support it's self from the fares or does the city give a subsidy for the subway?

Brian Carlton 12-30-2009 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 2371351)
That was my question I guess. Does the NYC public trans system support it's self from the fares or does the city give a subsidy for the subway?
The NYC transit system is supported by the outrageous tolls on all the bridges and tunnels that connect Long Island with NYC.

The system could never sustain itself when it charges $2.50 for a fare to go one way...........anywhere in the system.

MTI 12-30-2009 03:14 PM
I'm not aware of many states that find the operation of their state roadways "profitable." For instance, NJ's drivers GSP and Turnpike toll system don't cover their op costs, since it barely covers the debt service.

The average driver in NJ pays a-half penny per mile to drive on non-tolled roads, which the gas tax funds. Drivers on the New Jersey Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway, meanwhile, pay seven cents per mile and four cents per mile, respectively.

The New Jersey Transportation Trust Fund Authority has new-money bonding capacity this fiscal year and next, but by July 2011, the start of fiscal 2012, its entire $895 million annual appropriation will be needed to cover principal and interest payments on the TTFA's nearly $11 billion of existing debt.

aklim 12-30-2009 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2371358)
The NYC transit system is supported by the outrageous tolls on all the bridges and tunnels that connect Long Island with NYC.

The system could never sustain itself when it charges $2.50 for a fare to go one way...........anywhere in the system.
IOW shuffle money here to pay for that. AKA I rob Peter to pay Paul

Maybe that is why only the govt can get involved. Only they can shuffle the money around to make it look like you got a free deal

HuskyMan 12-31-2009 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2371341)
Businesses do both. My point was the individual can't do anything.
please define "Businesses" please define "individual".

Chas H 12-31-2009 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 2371785)
please define "Businesses" please define "individual".
Oh please. Do you own a dictionary?

HuskyMan 12-31-2009 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2371819)
Oh please. Do you own a dictionary?
more than a few. what is YOUR definition of "businesses" and "individual"?

Chas H 12-31-2009 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 2371822)
more than a few. what is YOUR definition of "businesses" and "individual"?
The same as found in a dictionary. It's way too late in the year for cuteness.

HuskyMan 12-31-2009 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2371823)
The same as found in a dictionary. It's way too late in the year for cuteness.
which dictionary? Websters, Funk & Wagnalls, Oxford? and, which edition are you obtaining your definition(s) from?

Craig 12-31-2009 10:34 AM
While your at it, can you look up the definition of "it" for me?

cmac2012 12-31-2009 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pj67coll (Post 2369853)
The only question of any relevance here is why the hell a named terror suspect was allowed on a plane in the first place. Beyond that everything else is BS.

- Peter.
Word I heard is that he was not a terror suspect, merely a person of interest. Not apologizing for anyone but let's be accurate. The fellow had never perpetrated terrorism before as far as anyone knows.

Could well be that there are so many people of interest - millions - that staying on top of all of it is tough.

cmac2012 12-31-2009 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 2369891)
Looks like they won this round.:rolleyes:
They? Won? There is no they, just a bunch of loosely affiliated fools. And the fellow in question is a loser as are most all of them. A small number of people are going to be severely inconvenienced now and then, as in killed or mutilated, and I do not sneer at what they will have to deal with. Might happen to me. But that is not victory for 'them.'


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