No comments on the issue please.

Constitutional or not the Majority rules, I would consider the voter approval an implied change to the constitution. (I know there is a big HUGE process to change the constitution. But times change, with what it takes to amend the constitution, times will have changed again before it can can approved.)

The people spoke, deal with it.

Thats how I feel.

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I don't have to respect too many people anymore.

You're wrong and it don't matter how you feel. The people cannot summarily amend the constitution. There is a process described in the constitution by which amendments can be made.

The way the system works, the judiciary is supposed to have the ability to overturn laws, as part of checks and balance. However, once the law makes it into a constitution, agreed upon by 3/4 of the states, that's it.

So some people have some work to do...

On this issue this is soap opera, I agree that I don't care. This issue is about personal validation and social approval.

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I think it is about whether it is OK to have the majority vote on the rights of the minority.

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I heard the reason why the measure passed was because of a very large, but silent mormon population within the state.

Either way I think their budget problem is much more comical in my eyes.

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You may feel that way but your feelings are largely irrelevant to the functioning of the US political system. There is a thing called a Bill of Rights. The people simply cannot vote to abolish freedom of speech, or to establish a religion.
The question is whether the relevant judicial body thinks the banning of gay marriage violates the Constitution or not. It's a very risky political strategy for gays given the current Supreme Court. It might set back gay civil rights a couple of generations.

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At last. Some clear thinking. The long term strategy is to get this to the Supreme Court. Maybe two years or more from that today, with a whistle stop at the Ninth Circuit. Given the current court makeup, I would agree it's a risk. Men do die, however. But if the cause is worth fighting (in the courts) for, no point in waiting.

Correct me if I am wrong someone, but is it not true that in every state gay marraige has been on the ballot it has been defeated by the voters? Not that it matters constitutionally, but it does reflect the general mood of the citizens.

You may not have heard about it out there but the NJ Senate (Democratically controlled) just last week failed to get a bill passed approving gay marraige. We already do have a civil union statute for gays and elderly hetero couples, but "it's not working" well enough for those folks.
NJ has been a solid Democratic and generally liberal state. But we have a Rep. Guv coming soon.

Scalia himself stated, as a result of striking down sodomy laws, that if the case ever makes it in front of the court they will have to legalize gay marriage. The State must show a compelling state interest in banning a contract between two individuals - the right to contract is a common law right that goes back to the Magna Carta. If sodomy is not illegal, what "compelling interest" does the state have in banning gay marriage? There is none. Even a conservative court would have a hard time coming up with one that would stick. The precedents are in Utah polygamy cases from back in the 1880's. The state of Utah was able to ban polygamy because it claimed a compelling state interest in preventing a man from siring dozens of children that he would not be able to support, meaning the tax payers would get stuck with the bill, and a compelling interest in preventing a woman from marrying multiple men because history has shown this only leads to violence as men tend to kill each other over women quite frequently, meaning that it was a threat to the public order and a disturbance of the peace. In the case of men and women marrying first-degree relatives, The State has a compelling interest to prevent the spread of genetic defects that again the taxpayers would have to pick up the tab for in warehousing the offspring, and now gay marriage opponents, it's your turn - what exactly is the compelling state interest in banning gay marriage? I have asked that question over and over to conservatives and have yet to get one answer that would stand a test against the Equal Protection Clause. Come on, just one reason. So far, the compelling reason is the one that motivates voters to vote in elections to deny other people's rights: rank, grotesque prejudice.

Inability to sire cannon fodder to fill future ranks.

Seriously though. There's no reason. It's a non issue to my mind.

- Peter.

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