When you are starving and dehydrated and have no place to live and may have lost some or all of your family members I think that would have an effect on you. My father id things in the camps that he is not proud of but he did it to survive.

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- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

I don't recall the 2004 tsunami victims behaving in such a manner. They were equally poor, hungry and homeless.

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No they weren't. And they certainly weren't that way before the disaster.

I propose a test.

Lets kill everyone you know.

Leave their bodies laying around you.

Destroy all of your food and shelter.

Take away all of your drinking water.

And see how your social graces fair...

I don't know since I was not at both places to see if the circumstances were the same. from the reports I remember seeing, the situations were not comparable but I could be wrong.

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- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

There is certainly more similarity between the 2004 tsunami victims and the Haitians, than between the Haitians and holocaust victims!

Compare the treatment of the dead in these pictures:

http://www.tsunamis.com/tsunami-pictures-13.html

with the treatment of the dead in these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Kxp0DhPBo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA54rk93gB8

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Actualy thats how some people treat eachother in any WROL situation. Just look at Katrina and the LA riots. Or Germany and Japan after their fall.

The bad elements in society always burst forth then they think they have a chance.

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Thats why the rule of law is so important in a society. Most people do not realize how some of those amongst them would act were it not for a lawful society. The aveage person is not ready for survival of the fittest nor a struggle between good and bad. Of course, this also illustrates why our second amendmant is an essential part of a free society: in moments of lawlessness, the individual is able to protect himself.

I heard a discussion the other day that you have three days to get away from the cities after a major disaster.
Day 1--Everyone pulls together
Day 2 a few lawless people do a little looting.
Day 3 the lawless people realize that THEY are the law.

Getting into the countryside buys some time.

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Did you watch the videos?

It's the Haitian government, and government contractors who are abusing the dead and treating them like garbage. Anderson Cooper says in the second video..."other governments in other disasters have done better under very similar circumstances, so the question is, why is this happening?"

He covered Katrina and the 2004 tsunami, so I assume he has a credible perspective on the issue.

Men trampling women in line for relief provisions....it never happened in Germany or even New Orleans. And it didn't happen in Kobe, Japan after the earthquake in 1995.

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Preparing to murder does not make you a moral person.

In fact it shows your motivated by fear.

The same thing that motivates most criminal behavior.

Maybe your looking at your own demons when you see the people in haiti treet each other so badly.

Find compassion and you will lose some of that fear.

If it is only laws that are keeping you from killing your neighbors you are allready lost.

Rich,
You lost me on this one. Usually we are opposite sides of the political debate, (but not always). I often disagree with your position, but usually understand your argument.
This time, I don't even understand your argument. People in Haiti are being inhumanely cruel to each other. Its not being imposed by outsiders. They are doing it to their own neighbors and friends.
I believe this behavior is unusual, at best,
I do not believe that their behavior excuses us from aiding as much as we are able.

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let's keep sending aid.

but let's remember that this a permanent underclass (the u.s. was there 100 years ago, and not at all benignly) and that there were kapos in the concentration camps, and... we (and i include myself) really don't know how we would respond in such situations. (and should be quite grateful that we probably will never have to find out)

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