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Old 01-25-2010, 05:18 PM
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Hey, it's not even equal rights. In a prior decision, the same justices ruled that corporations and the local governments can work together to condemn your property for use by the corporations. I don't have that right. Do you?
Drat. I want the deed to the Empire State Building. And Disney World.

Also the Chrysler factory in Detroit, so I can corner the market on that special plastic wood that adorns all the Chrysler Town and Country mini vans and PT Cruisers.

The *only* place in the ENTIRE WORLD that those trees grow, that have that wood, is right there outside the front gates of that Chrysler factory.
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If the Corporations are now "deemed" persons under the First Amendment, with the rights attendant thereto, please then explain why the same rights should not attach to them with regard to the Second Amendment also.
They already enjoy those rights including the right to posess fully automatic weapons and destructive devices.
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Old 01-25-2010, 05:48 PM
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They already enjoy those rights including the right to posess fully automatic weapons and destructive devices.
destructive devices.
Holy cow!

Really?

So where are my Nukes?

Can I have them now?
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Besides, it isn't bad new for Republicans, who have every reason to believe they will enjoy generous support from foreign corporations, just as they expect to bank millions of fresh crisp dollars from American corporate interests. Although they will sometimes scream about alleged or imagined foreign donations to Democrats, as some of them did in 2008, their own party’s record in soliciting support from dubious sources abroad is real, and worse.
Well Hillary must have gotten the heads up on this decision and didn't ever get the memo it was only good for Republicans!

The titular head of the Clintonistas now running the State Department together with Janet Napolitano at Department of Homeland Security somehow don’t see the perpetrator of the crime which lead to the largest fine in FEC history as a “criminal guilty of a crime of moral turpitude” which would bar him from travel to the US! Of course the Obamunists; know nothing, nothing!

”Last year, however, the Indonesian mogul finally made it to Arkansas. He traveled there during the first of two previously unreported trips he made in 2009 to the United States. He was allowed in only after receiving a waiver from a rule that forbids entry to foreigners guilty of "a crime involving moral turpitude," a term that government lawyers generally interpret to include fraud.
Riady's return to the United States poses a prickly question for Hillary Clinton's State Department: How and why did a foreign billionaire stained by Clinton-era scandals get a U.S. visa after being kept out for so long under the Bush administration?
The saga brought Riady and his family-run conglomerate, Lippo Group, an $8.6 million fine, the biggest penalty in the history of U.S. campaign finance violations.
The question of whether Riady would be able to return to the United States was first raised in 2000 during plea bargain negotiations. As part of the plea agreement, Riady agreed not to seek entry for two years. Riady, in his e-mail, said the lead prosecutor in the case, Daniel O'Brien, wrote a letter that "specifically stated that my crime was NOT moral turpitude." A copy of the letter on file with the Los Angeles court, however, includes no such statement by O'Brien. It notes only that the businessman might need a waiver if "the appropriate authorities determine that Riady has committed a crime of moral turpitude." The letter records that Riady had informed the U.S. government that he might seek to visit America in the future "for business or personal reasons" and says the businessman could use the letter to support an application for a waiver if he complies with the terms of the plea agreement.”


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Well Hillary must have gotten the heads up on this decision

She *DID*???!!!


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The problem as stated above is that a very high percentage of people on corperate boards are not American citizens. Now you offer them a chance to spend a ton of money to get people elected that will do favors for them.


The American people should rise up and demand that this is changed. I don't care what the court ruled, in this case they are wrong. We employee them they need to fix this.

I suspect the republicans may think they can control what has come out of pandoras box and it will benifit them. They are wrong, sadly once the box is open its going to take a lot of effort to close.
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The problem as stated above is that a very high percentage of people on corperate boards are not American citizens. Now you offer them a chance to spend a ton of money to get people elected that will do favors for them.


The American people should rise up and demand that this is changed. I don't care what the court ruled, in this case they are wrong. We employee them they need to fix this.

I suspect the republicans may think they can control what has come out of pandoras box and it will benifit them. They are wrong, sadly once the box is open its going to take a lot of effort to close.

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Absolutely correct, and well stated, too!!!

It is giving the green light to open, naked, and unvarnished influence peddling, at the highest level, no different than any 3rd world country like Peru, Phillipines, or Nigeria.
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It is giving the green light to open, naked, and unvarnished influence peddling, at the highest level, no different than any 3rd world country like Peru, Phillipines, or Nigeria.
And before this there was no influence peddling? Really? Special interest groups have been in existence since when again? The last week?
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Now you offer them a chance to spend a ton of money to get people elected that will do favors for them.

The American people should rise up and demand that this is changed.

I don't care what the court ruled, in this case they are wrong. We employee them they need to fix this.

I suspect the republicans may think they can control what has come out of pandoras box and it will benifit them. They are wrong, sadly once the box is open its going to take a lot of effort to close.
Are you saying it was NOT an option before this ruling?

Then it is simple. Change the laws.

Very convenient for you to say that. Would they be right if they rule your way and wrong if they rule against you?

How so? How were the Reps even involved in this issue other than those judges were merely nominated by a Republican President AND approved by the Senate? How did they foretell this would happen?
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She *DID*???!!!


I have yet to figure out how Billy boy's posts have anything to do with the discussion at hand. It is as if, because he is boxed into a corner, unable to face the obvious contradiction in his own thinking, the only thing he can do is come here to twist in the wind. And post distracting drivel.
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The Court held that 2 U.S.C. Section 441a, which prohibits all corporate political spending, is unconstitutional. Foreign nationals, specifically defined to include foreign corporations, are prohibiting from making "a contribution or donation of money or ather thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State or local election" under 2 U.S.C. Section 441e, which was not at issue in the case. Foreign corporations are also prohibited, under 2 U.S.C. 441e, from making any contribution or donation to any committee of any political party, and they prohibited from making any "expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication... ."

This is either blithering ignorance of the law, or demogoguery of the worst kind.
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The administration's rhetoric on this is matched only by the rhetoric here. The decision seems to be clear as to how much change it actually makes re: McCain Feingold.
Still seems to be much ado about nothing.
All the emotion makes me wonder, "What is the REAL fear behind all this?" Does it somehow reduce the power of the democrat party, or democrat party special interest groups, or what?
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The administration's rhetoric on this is matched only by the rhetoric here. The decision seems to be clear as to how much change it actually makes re: McCain Feingold.
Still seems to be much ado about nothing.
All the emotion makes me wonder, "What is the REAL fear behind all this?" Does it somehow reduce the power of the democrat party, or democrat party special interest groups, or what?
I think it is just a "I'm on your side" thing. Much like what Congress does. Kick the can down the road and when it comes due, job security again
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