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Old 03-04-2010, 01:01 PM
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15 ship B-52 Take OFF

This is American air power at it's finest

This "Minimum Interval Take Off" ( MITO ) was always a very serious test of
our quick response capability. If you never seen a MITO , you have really missed something. Listen to the tower controller's comments particularly the very last one!

If you are an aviation buff and, if you have ten minutes, watch this.

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Old 03-04-2010, 01:35 PM
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That was a pretty awesome display of mobilization! I was impressed!

Couldn't help thinking however, with the economy the way it is, and the sheer amount of money the military goes through regularly, the amount of fuel expended having 15 of those behemoths launching at fill tilt to perform an "exercise"...not to mention the other astronomical costs involved in the entire drill!
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:17 PM
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Yep, that's pretty impressive. I assume they would have 10 minutes to get the BUFFs up before the missles struck?

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Old 03-04-2010, 02:19 PM
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Impressive!

Yes, those buggers burn a LOT of fuel, but either way, those pilots need flying hours, maintenance crews and ATC's need to have a handle on how to choreograph such a launch, etc... It needs to be practiced. It's always impressive to watch a SIOP or any other alert drill, for that matter. At our unit (and others, I'm sure), they don't fool around. You'd best be well away from the road that the alert crew is using to get from ops to the jets! The exercises can be very revealing for those of us in maintenance, as it can reveal likely red ball conditions (last minute issues with the aircraft that prevent it from taking off), among other things.
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:27 PM
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Those cartridge starts are fun to watch. Not sure about B-52's, but on our tankers, the air crew can hit a start button at the crew entry door, so the APUs are actually spooling up as the crew is climbing up the entry ladder. Presumably the bombers have a similar system.
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:28 PM
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What I thought was really cool was the way the wings load up when the aircraft is about 2/3 of the way down the runway - you can see the wings literally rising up from the lift being generated, but the wheels stay on the ground for some distance beyond that. That is an awful lot of weight to be moving up into the air.
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Old 03-04-2010, 05:24 PM
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Nice, very nice. Those 15 planes could carry enough fire power to bring just about any country to its knee's.

Now imagin them doing that with B17's except dozens of them, 1k+ ships overhead must have been a sight!


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Old 03-04-2010, 07:11 PM
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That is an awful lot of weight to be moving up into the air.
But only about 1/2 of the max takeoff weight of a B747.
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:21 PM
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But only about 1/2 of the max takeoff weight of a B747.

Which is something very interesting when you consider how long the B-52 has been in service and how much longer it is stated to stay in service.
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Which is something very interesting when you consider how long the B-52 has been in service and how much longer it is stated to stay in service.
Indeed. The KC-135 has been around a good while, too!
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:34 PM
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But only about 1/2 of the max takeoff weight of a B747.
The B52 only has a little over half the thrust. The B52 has 134,000 lbs of thrust (8 x 17,000) versus about 248,000 lbs for the B747 (4 x ~62,000).

I always wondered why the 2 engine pods weren't replaced at some point along the way with single engine high bypass turbofans at each hard point. Way more thrust, way less gas. Use all four to get off the ground, cruise on two and light the other two back up when you approach the bad guys. Or keep all four burning and carry way more bombs, still use less gas.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:54 PM
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We've saved a ton of money by sticking with the B-52's over the last half a century or so. They have been provided with plenty of steady upgrades over the years. Unfortunately, there's no getting around the thousands of hours on most of their airframes. They burn lots of fuel, need lots of downtime, and kick lots of ass. Sounds kind of like something else we adore on this forum...
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:53 PM
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The B52 is the least expensive way to to drop a lot of explosives. Also I think their ready rate is about 80%..B2 is in the 20% range...

Just look at the B2...
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Nice, very nice. Those 15 planes could carry enough fire power to bring just about any country to its knee's.

Now imagin them doing that with B17's except dozens of them, 1k+ ships overhead must have been a sight!
According to my rough calculations* you'd need 200 B17s to carry the same bomb load as those 15 B52s.

* Bomb load of 80,000 lbs for the BUFF, vs. 6,000 for the B17; former figure I remember from a book I read a long time ago, latter appears in a WWII book I'm reading now.

15 x 80,000 = 1,200,000

1,200,000/6,000 = 200
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:25 PM
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The B52 only has a little over half the thrust. The B52 has 134,000 lbs of thrust (8 x 17,000) versus about 248,000 lbs for the B747 (4 x ~62,000).

I always wondered why the 2 engine pods weren't replaced at some point along the way with single engine high bypass turbofans at each hard point. Way more thrust, way less gas. Use all four to get off the ground, cruise on two and light the other two back up when you approach the bad guys. Or keep all four burning and carry way more bombs, still use less gas.
I'm not sure but I think it has to do with the weight of the engines VS the strength of the wings and that the bigger engines would hang so low that they would hit the ground or suck up debris.

OR it would simply cost more then it's worth.

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