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jplinville · #**166** 09-02-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Not those who are simply praying but those that are trying to blur the lines between church and state.

The bold should suffice. The lines were blurred during Bush's administration, and never should have. It will only get worse before it gets better...

jplinville · #**167** 09-02-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

The country need not fear those who pray, but there might be reason to fear those who do their praying in such a public, self-righteous way. This especially true when these self-righteous celebrities do not conduct themselves in a fair or decent manner and yet can get thousands of people to travel from across the country to listen to their tripe. Those people are to be feared.

You just singled out EVERYONE that goes to church, or Mosque. I have yet to see one religion in the US that is private about their praying...all houses of worship are open to the public.

Jim B. · #**168** 09-02-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

You just singled out EVERYONE that goes to church, or Mosque. I have yet to see one religion in the US that is private about their praying...all houses of worship are open to the public.

Mosques are NOT open to females.

You DO know that, don't you?

aklim · #**169** 09-02-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Corporate lobbying to me is the worst thing, because CUMULATIVELY, it comprises the MOST dollars spent to bribe Congress's members, whose first, primary and foremost objective is to STAY IN POWER and fund their campaigns and build bigger staff machines.

Representing their actual constituents they supposedly serve - runs a distant second to this.

Now that the Supreme Court in its infinite wisdom (a 5-4 decision being the ULTIMATE truth) has ruled that "Corporations" are "People" , so it seems that 100 years of legal precedent are swept away, and all hindrances on corporate lobbying seems to be completely removed.

Then of course are the very powerful "single issue" lobbies, - unions, guns abortion, gays ane all the others, that are both ultra powerful, and laser focused on thie single issue, on getting what they want and will not listen to anyone whose goals are different to theirs.

MONEY rules all. It trumps EVERYTHING else. I don't think our country was founded with this principle in mind.

How is other forms of lobbying any worse or better? What we are talking about is a representative who has sold himself out. Whether you want to sell yourself to 3 big donors or 50 smaller donors, you done sold out. Sure, Dems and Reps have different business models but ultimately, they done sold out and are corrupt. I fail to see how either way is worse than the other.

You should be so lucky. They help themselves, families, friends and what not way before you get close. But hey, if you benefit, so be it. Unfortunately, that is basic human behavior. We cannot fight it. We can try to survive it.

Yes, it SEEMS to all be removed. From the summary of what I saw, only a couple things were removed. Basically, in the past you could only contribute up to X days before while now you can contribute all the way to the end. Well, instead of giving you $100 BEFORE a certain date, I can give it to you up to the day before. What's the difference? Or do you see more that I missed?

Which is just as bad as the corporate "donors". They too have 1 or 2 issues and won't listen to anyone else.

Such it has been since who knows when. We have never been immune to that and probably never will.

aklim · #**170** 09-02-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

The bold should suffice. The lines were blurred during Bush's administration, and never should have. It will only get worse before it gets better...

It's been a long time before Bush was even elected. Religions have always been trying to gain power one way or the other. Sometimes they are more covert other times they are more overt.

jplinville · #**171** 09-02-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Mosques are NOT open to females.

You DO know that, don't you?

Sorry to point out your mistake here, but they are...

http://www.islamfortoday.com/womeninmosques2.htm

jplinville · #**172** 09-02-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

It's been a long time before Bush was even elected. Religions have always been trying to gain power one way or the other. Sometimes they are more covert other times they are more overt.

True...During the Carter Administration, his religion and undying faith as a Christian steered many of his policies.

aklim · #**173** 09-02-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

True...During the Carter Administration, his religion and undying faith as a Christian steered many of his policies.

I'm sure it goes even beyond that. Even in Medieval Europe they had those issues where the church was sometimes more powerful than the state.

jplinville · #**174** 09-02-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I'm sure it goes even beyond that. Even in Medieval Europe they had those issues where the church was sometimes more powerful than the state.

Separation of Church and State wasn't an issue during those governments...

aklim · #**175** 09-02-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Separation of Church and State wasn't an issue during those governments...

True. It was a problem then and still is. Unfortunately, mankind hasn't progressed enough to realize it is a scam and I don't hold hope that we ever will.

MS Fowler · #**176** 09-02-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Sorry to point out your mistake here, but they are...

http://www.islamfortoday.com/womeninmosques2.htm

Maybe so, but the Mosque where I have done some work has separate doors for men and women.

aklim · #**177** 09-02-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

True...During the Carter Administration, his religion and undying faith as a Christian steered many of his policies.

Too bad a person can rise up to that level and still believe in that crap. At least the current Reps have a stupid excuse that they are owned, lock, stock and barrel by the religious groups that were invited in by Reagan. What was Carter's excuse? Obviously if you are an illiterate peasant, well who can blame you.

732002 · #**178** 09-02-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

The rally was open to all. It was promised to be nonpolitical. What amazed some of the pundits is that it was exactly that. The pundits were amazed that GB kept his word! There was no anger tone; no provoking.
There are honorable people on both sides of the aisle. If you assumed that the rally was only open for one side, maybe it was you who assumed incorrectly. If more conservative attended than progressives, that might also be an indication of something.

One thing that did stand out to me, regardless of the actual numbers was how clean they left the place. Compare that with a "normal" political rally and the massive cleanup required afterward. The attendees acted as if they were guests and honored to be there.

I would think that it would have to be open to all since it is on public property? With who GB is and how close we are to Nov elections I assumed this rally had political motives. Just a coincidence, my bad.

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Originally Posted by aklim

Is it your contention that the left has no such slogans whatsoever that might imply they are better than the right?

It is my contention that the left is not very good at it.

aklim · #**179** 09-02-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 732002

It is my contention that the left is not very good at it.

Yeah, right. The "my side is cleaner than yours" thing? Sure, they cannot buy talent that provides those slogans. Are you really that blinded by your side or are you yanking my chain?

jplinville · #**180** 09-02-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Maybe so, but the Mosque where I have done some work has separate doors for men and women.

That may be a directive from the Imam...not sure. I know the Mosque in the city where I used to live never had an issue with it...I asked the proprietor of a shop that sold Halal meats and foods. I used to go there for the Baklava...