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Old 09-20-2010, 12:28 PM
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tell you what, why don't we ask the passengers on US Airways flight 1549 whether they would have preferred a fresh outta flight school pilot or one that had both military and thousands of hours of flight time in the cockpit. as Captain Sullenberger responded to Katie Couric's interview question:

Katie: "Did you think you could handle it??"

Sullenberger: " I KNEW THAT I COULD DO IT" (sounds like a man who is confident in his abilities).

He also stated that he felt that he had been training for this in flight crisis (engine out on take off = big trouble) his entire career. when faced with unbeatable odds, EXPERIENCE and TRAINING steps up and takes care of business. upstarts fresh outta flight academy are still learning to fly....same goes for any other field including medicine.

here's an idea; you stay with your fresh outta med school docs, I, on the other hand will go with the Dr. TRAINING + EXERIENCE = world class skill set.

Good luck, you'll need it.
Sullenberger is a totally different issue and I think you should realize that. Sullenberger was on that flight so he would damn well do everything he can to stay alive. Your Dr or Mechanic, OTOH isn't riding with you so, the equation is different.

Experience means little if the person is not motivated or talented. I'd take a fresh out of Med school grad over a Dr with 20 yrs experience if the former is motivate and the latter has his mind on his next sodoku move or his golf game. Yes, all things being equal, I'd take the 20 yr man.
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Sullenberger is a totally different issue and I think you should realize that. Sullenberger was on that flight so he would damn well do everything he can to stay alive. Your Dr or Mechanic, OTOH isn't riding with you so, the equation is different.

Experience means little if the person is not motivated or talented. I'd take a fresh out of Med school grad over a Dr with 20 yrs experience if the former is motivate and the latter has his mind on his next sodoku move or his golf game. Yes, all things being equal, I'd take the 20 yr man.
I disagree. Sullenberger admits that when faced with a crisis both his training and experience saved the day. In addition, as you say, let's not forget that most likely Captain Sullenberger was not mentally practicing his golf game while handling the crisis.

Along those same lines, Surgery is NEVER routine, there always exists the possibility of a Flight 1549 crisis in the OR. Fresh outta med school docs are good, but they just haven't accumulated enough OR time for me to be comfortable with their skill set, especially during surgery.

Dr. Training + Experience + FOCUS makes for the ultimate surgical experience.
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I disagree. Sullenberger admits that when faced with a crisis both his training and experience saved the day. In addition, as you say, let's not forget that most likely Captain Sullenberger was not mentally practicing his golf game while handling the crisis.

Along those same lines, Surgery is NEVER routine, there always exists the possibility of a Flight 1549 crisis in the OR. Fresh outta med school docs are good, but they just haven't accumulated enough OR time for me to be comfortable with their skill set, especially during surgery.

Dr. Training + Experience + FOCUS makes for the ultimate surgical experience.
You missed it - anyway have a nice day!
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Old 09-20-2010, 12:45 PM
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I disagree. Sullenberger admits that when faced with a crisis both his training and experience saved the day. In addition, as you say, let's not forget that most likely Captain Sullenberger was not mentally practicing his golf game while handling the crisis.

Along those same lines, Surgery is NEVER routine, there always exists the possibility of a Flight 1549 crisis in the OR. Fresh outta med school docs are good, but they just haven't accumulated enough OR time for me to be comfortable with their skill set, especially during surgery.

Dr. Training + Experience + FOCUS makes for the ultimate surgical experience.
Yes, and the motivation to save his own skin has little to no effect? Sorry but when the pilot has a vested interest, that skews the comparison.

Really? Prove it then. I have yet to see or hear of a surgeon operating on himself while under sedation in the OR. Have you? Sorry, Flight 1549 is meaningless as a comparison. After all, win, lose or draw, the surgeon walks out of the OR alive. You, OTOH, may not

Agreed but without Focus, none of the experience means a damn.
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should a Doctor screw up one too many times, his medical malpractice insurance carrier may drop him, and if he continues to screw up, he may lose his license. more screw ups and he earns the right to be a defendant in a civil lawsuit. and, should he administer a drug illegally, i.e. Michael Jackson and the Propofol issue, he may find himself a defendant in a criminal action.

does a Doctor have a vested interest in performing surgical procedures properly? you tell me........
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should a Doctor screw up one too many times, his medical malpractice insurance carrier may drop him, and if he continues to screw up, he may lose his license. more screw ups and he earns the right to be a defendant in a civil lawsuit. and, should he administer a drug illegally, i.e. Michael Jackson and the Propofol issue, he may find himself a defendant in a criminal action.

does a Doctor have a vested interest in performing surgical procedures properly? you tell me........
Yes, he does have a vested interrst in performing it well. However, that has not stopped screw ups, has it? What you don't seem to want to understand is that he has LESS of a vested interste in your well being as Sullenberger. When Sullenberger screws up, his passengers die AS DOES HE. Remember, the last part is the most vital.

So, you tell me. Who has a larger vested interest in you? Sullenberger or the surgeon?

Sullenberger screws up, all die INCLUDING him
Surgeon screws up, he might get another chance but YOU suffer NOT him

Who has more interest in your well being?
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Yes, he does have a vested interrst in performing it well. However, that has not stopped screw ups, has it? What you don't seem to want to understand is that he has LESS of a vested interste in your well being as Sullenberger. When Sullenberger screws up, his passengers die AS DOES HE. Remember, the last part is the most vital.

So, you tell me. Who has a larger vested interest in you? Sullenberger or the surgeon?

Sullenberger screws up, all die INCLUDING him
Surgeon screws up, he might get another chance but YOU suffer NOT him

Who has more interest in your well being?
I've known a few pilots with military training in their background. believe me, some of them aren't afraid of dying in the least. they moved past the fear of dying a long long time ago.......
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I've known a few pilots with military training in their background. believe me, some of them aren't afraid of dying in the least. they moved past the fear of dying a long long time ago.......
Cool, what airlines do they work for?
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I've known a few pilots with military training in their background. believe me, some of them aren't afraid of dying in the least. they moved past the fear of dying a long long time ago.......
Well, you can get into specifics and talk about how your apple is better than that orange but only on Tuesday between noon and 1pm. We can discuss Sullenberger' state of mind or anything else but IN GENERAL, The surgeon still lives if he botches up the surgery. Sullenberger dies if he botches the landing. There is incentive in both cases. One has more incentive.
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I've known a few pilots with military training in their background. believe me, some of them aren't afraid of dying in the least. they moved past the fear of dying a long long time ago.......
Their lack of fear of dying is evident from most of their wasitlines . . . from the look of most senior commercial captains walking through airports, they look about one cheeseburger short of a coronary.
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