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Old 10-18-2010, 11:11 AM
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I do seem to remember Germany doing some nasty stuff while claiming to be a christian nation; they weren't the first and probably won't be the last.
True. But if you are in their position and are trying to buttress society against dissimmilation and degeneration you have very little to fall back on besides your heritage. Which for most of Europe is chrisitianity even if in the dim distant past. Germany of course could elect to revert to a more recent heritage, but that would probably go down like a lead balloon.

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I bet, with a little research, you could find similar statements made about every group of American immigrants for the last 150 years.
I'm sure someone could find anything to support anything.
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Translation: I got mine and I don't want to share with the next group because they are not like "us."
Translation: Our society works good enough that you left yours to find a better life in ours- so please leave your non working ideas back home so that our society doesn't emulate yours and instead stays at the same level you found it- better than the one you left. Whenever a person leaves "home" it says it was so bad the person thought it was hopeless and they could not change it for the better. Now they come to the new home and want to make it like the old home.
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Germany is a different culture from the US, many there would actually prefer to have a homogeneous population.
Name a society or "culture" that is the same an another. I think Germans (and most everyone) would welcome any outside group if they assimilated.
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Good for them, but I don't want to live in that type of society.
With nearly 70% of the USA population not wanting a mosque at ground zero it's a good indication you already are living in such a society.
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Old 10-18-2010, 01:22 PM
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I agree, although I do find the term "Christian values" especially ironic.

Personally, I don't want to live in any country where the leader can refer to a specific religion's "values" without having rotten fruit thrown at him/her.


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What do you mean by that?
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What he means is that he wants to live in a county that allows people, who disagree with what someone SAYS, the ability to throw rotten food (or whatever) at another person as punishment for their free speech and for that type of behavior to be perfectly acceptable. ( Just so long as no one throws anything back at him for what he says or types... )
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So, like, Merkel wants to put these people into camps?
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So, like, Merkel wants to put these people into camps?
No, she wants them to assimilate or go back to the country of origin. This began to rear it's head when the east and west reunited and the economy took a poop, partialy because of the unemployed east Germans created a labor glut. Turks were encouraged to come during the boom years when there was a labor shortage, and most Germans did figure that they would eventually go back from whence they had came. Most did not, and there was not a lot of cultural assimilation.
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I agree, although I do find the term "Christian values" especially ironic.
One might remember, this an exclusive American term, at least for the most part, being thrown around at any given day for any given purpose.
What we have here, is a translation from German into a digestable American language news article.
Maybe by now you already get what I am hinting at. To help you lighten up on your prejudice, it may very well be possible that no such thing was actually spoken.
German language is ususally very precise in its expression. In many cases not directly translatable, therefor often replaced by "catchphrases".
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One might remember, this an exclusive American term, at least for the most part, being thrown around at any given day for any given purpose.
What we have here, is a translation from German into a digestable American language news article.
Maybe by now you already get what I am hinting at. To help you lighten up on your prejudice, it may very well be possible that no such thing was actually spoken.
German language is ususally very precise in its expression. In many cases not directly translatable, therefor often replaced by "catchphrases".
Then it would be interesting to see what she actually said.

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I bet, with a little research, you could find similar statements made about every group of American immigrants for the last 150 years. Translation: I got mine and I don't want to share with the next group because they are not like "us."

Germany is a different culture from the US, many there would actually prefer to have a homogeneous population. Good for them, but I don't want to live in that type of society.
A mono culture has its benefits. There is less debate over issues when the majority thinks and behaves the same way. Fewer special interests. That brings with it a certain amount of efficiency. You have to admit the Germans and Japanese are quite a bit more efficient than we are. However their cold hard logic has in the past led to major miscalculations. Lets hope this doesn't devolve into "assimilation police" making raids in the middle of the night.
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So, like, Merkel wants to put these people into camps?
Yep, and wear a yellow arm band. So here's our plan- you be in charge of the underground and I'll come up with a code breaker scheme. After the major offensives we'll dress in drag and be able to cross enemy lines so that we can filter into the subjected enslaved civilians ( a bit of a downcast look and carefully placed mud on the face helps us blend in- DON'T SHAVE for three days) and create a internal resistance revolt. We can communicate in pig latin to fool those trying find us. Ready!?! Break!
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One might remember, this an exclusive American term, at least for the most part, being thrown around at any given day for any given purpose.
What we have here, is a translation from German into a digestable American language news article.
Maybe by now you already get what I am hinting at. To help you lighten up on your prejudice, it may very well be possible that no such thing was actually spoken.
German language is ususally very precise in its expression. In many cases not directly translatable, therefor often replaced by "catchphrases".
I hope you are correct, the fewer people who use the words "christian" and "values" together, the better I like the world.
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A mono culture has its benefits. There is less debate over issues when the majority thinks and behaves the same way. Fewer special interests. That brings with it a certain amount of efficiency. You have to admit the Germans and Japanese are quite a bit more efficient than we are. However their cold hard logic has in the past led to major miscalculations. Lets hope this doesn't devolve into "assimilation police" making raids in the middle of the night.
A mono culture may well have some practical benefits, but I would have no interest in living in one.
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One might remember, this an exclusive American term, at least for the most part, being thrown around at any given day for any given purpose.
What we have here, is a translation from German into a digestable American language news article.
Maybe by now you already get what I am hinting at. To help you lighten up on your prejudice, it may very well be possible that no such thing was actually spoken.
German language is ususally very precise in its expression. In many cases not directly translatable, therefor often replaced by "catchphrases".
English is a more precise language than German and translating from German to English, other than colloquialisms, can be quite accurate.
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English is a more precise language than German and translating from German to English, other than colloquialisms, can be quite accurate.
I've often wondered about that. Given the technical nature of much of what Germany has achieved and the literature / artistic emanations of english. I don't speak German but would be interested to see some examples. Can you provide?

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I've often wondered about that. Given the technical nature of much of what Germany has achieved and the literature / artistic emanations of english. I don't speak German but would be interested to see some examples. Can you provide?

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English is comprised of many more words than German for starters, so the speaker has a broader choice of words and can be more precise. German tech jargon relies on word stack upon words while in English we have a descrete word. English is the defacto language of science.
A friend who grew up in a German speaking household here in PA claims there are only 500 words in the German language.
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I've often wondered about that. Given the technical nature of much of what Germany has achieved and the literature / artistic emanations of english. I don't speak German but would be interested to see some examples. Can you provide?

- Peter.
I never had any trouble in German class and I am bad at languages. German is Latin based like most other European languages and shares a lot of smiler terms and words with the others including English.

Technical compound words can sometimes be fun, they love compound words. In that respect English is a more precise language, we have actually words for technical terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinderkennzeichnungs-_und_Rindfleischetikettierungs%C3%BCberwachungsaufgaben%C3%BCbertragungsgesetz

http://www.spiegel.de/0,1518,,00.html
Someone who speaks German dig the article up, I'm not that good. I don't think the translation is wrong though, Christ is Christ its the same in both languages.

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