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Old 12-07-2010, 12:38 PM
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Well, if you are not a US citizen and are not within the US, what jurisdiction do they have? Can the US government make laws that apply to citizens of other countries while they are in their own countries? Could iran pass a law making it illegal for me to publish anything negative about iran within the US?
Maybe...maybe not.

But, if you sharpen up a pencil and pull out a sheet of paper, let's see what happens if you decide to draw a cartoon...a cartoon about...oh...I don't know...maybe a religious figure...one that used to ride a horse and swing a sword and yell about infidels that needed to be killed and such...

I'm sure some court, somewhere outside the US, would like to have you appear before it...or they may just try you without any input from you and send out some guys in little white coat...er, sheets and visit you in the middle of the night...

Sorta' sounds a bit KKKish, doesn't it?

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Old 12-07-2010, 12:53 PM
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No bail for you, Mr. JA !

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/07/assange-bail-request-refused-wikileaks
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Old 12-07-2010, 07:27 PM
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Eventually like that spammer who screwed with the Russian Mob he will leak the wrong persons info.
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Old 12-07-2010, 08:17 PM
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The deal is that POSSESSION of those documents is prosecutable under the 1917 Espionage Act. The only way he could have gotten clear of that would have been to return the documents and never breathe a word about them to anybody.
It is funny, these documents put 1000's of people at risk, ruined a lot of covert operations, blew the cover on a lot of people, can cause North Korea to blow up, etc but that is heroic... Meanwhile the whole Valerie Plame thing was treason...

Assange needs to be extradited to the US to face espionage charges and his sources should face charges of treason.
Meanwhile, it looks like his website has been pulled down...

The 1917 act is below
http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/espionageact.htm
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Old 12-07-2010, 09:14 PM
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Eventually like that spammer who screwed with the Russian Mob he will leak the wrong persons info.
I think he has already...the "CIA/MI5/Mossad" brand of "mafioism" - if that can be considered a word...

One of many "absolutes" in life...If you're going to kick the bully in the shins, aim a bit higher...it won't change the eventual outcome, but you'll die knowing you caused a little bit of discomfort.
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Old 12-08-2010, 12:08 AM
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If someone stole secrets during WWII and gave them to a German to take back home, with your reasoning we should let the german go. Espionage and treason are not limited to citizens.


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Espionage? Seriously?

This guy's not even a US citizen and he published information that was given to him by others (i.e., he didn't break into the pentagon and steal it). Don't US senators have to have some knowledge of US law?
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Old 12-08-2010, 12:10 AM
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They knew Armitage leaked Plames name and they went after someone else. That makes a lot of sense.

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The deal is that POSSESSION of those documents is prosecutable under the 1917 Espionage Act. The only way he could have gotten clear of that would have been to return the documents and never breathe a word about them to anybody.
It is funny, these documents put 1000's of people at risk, ruined a lot of covert operations, blew the cover on a lot of people, can cause North Korea to blow up, etc but that is heroic... Meanwhile the whole Valerie Plame thing was treason...

Assange needs to be extradited to the US to face espionage charges and his sources should face charges of treason.
Meanwhile, it looks like his website has been pulled down...

The 1917 act is below
http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/espionageact.htm
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:11 AM
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They knew Armitage leaked Plames name and they went after someone else. That makes a lot of sense.
uh, prosecuting libby (for lying to the fbi) and/or possibly prosecuting armitage are two separate and different crimes.
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He should be water boarded until he either has divulged every bit of useful information or dies preferably the later but not before the former, and his 10 closest relatives and 10 of his closest associates should be publically executed, after a couple dozen instances of this type of response, potential subversive and traitorous individuals will be exposed or killed by the people around them in acts of self-preservation. Very few people are willing to die because some a$$&*!e relative or acquaintance wants to be somebody!

This strategy should also be applied to terrorists; in a short time like immune system T-cells the broader population will exterminate these malignancies in their drive for self-preservation. Fight terror with terror!
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Old 12-08-2010, 09:29 AM
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He should be water boarded until he either has divulged every bit of useful information or dies preferably the later but not before the former, and his 10 closest relatives and 10 of his closest associates should be publically executed, after a couple dozen instances of this type of response, potential subversive and traitorous individuals will be exposed or killed by the people around them in acts of self-preservation. Very few people are willing to die because some a$$&*!e relative or acquaintance wants to be somebody!

This strategy should also be applied to terrorists; in a short time like immune system T-cells the broader population will exterminate these malignancies in their drive for self-preservation. Fight terror with terror!


yes, to save the great american republic, the land of "liberty and justice for all", we must brutalize and terrorize our enemies, to show how civilized we are.

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yes, to save the great american republic, the land of "liberty and justice for all", we must brutalize and terrorize our enemies, to show how civilized we are.

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yep, you have to break a few eggs to make an omlet....
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Old 12-08-2010, 12:28 PM
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yep, you have to break a few eggs to make an omlet....
cognitive dissonance never seems to go out of style
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:01 PM
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Oddly enough, this man is making the entire executive branch look like fools. I'm surprised more conservatives don't jump on this opportunity to deride Hilary and Obama.

I fully support what wikileaks has done. For those people parroting the "thousands of lives at risk" claim, have you actually read the documents?

Download and enjoy,
http://wikileaks.ch/cablegate.html

They show nothing more than typical crass diplomatic conversations about our world while answering. Unless you can pull up exact examples of where someone's life or work has been put at risk then it's a moot point.

I'm more excited to see the leaks from corporations in the following months, especially the ones coming from a "major American banking institution".

Wikileaks is doing a great thing for this country and others around the world. Before wikileaks got a hold of US documents, they were releasing lists involving the australian and german censorship websites. They are invaluable to freedom of speech while exposing corruption.
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:49 PM
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yes, to save the great american republic, the land of "liberty and justice for all", we must brutalize and terrorize our enemies, to show how civilized we are.

how can i help?
It is not now nor has it ever been about "to show how civilized we are", it has always been about preventing a 6th century cult of submission and barbarism to prevail over the apotheosis if individual freedom and liberty the the US and Western civilization has achieved. The question is either, for some what are they willing to do to preserve what they have, and for others how much they are willing to give up!

It really is amazing to watch individuals who are barely capable of feeding, clothing, and housing themselves here is the wealthiest, freest and most equitable system, argue that there is some other system under which they imagine they could achieve greater potential.

If someone can't make it in 21 Century SoCal, they'll never make it any better anywhere else in the world, as the competition is infinitely tougher and the rules are considerably less equitable anywhere else!
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Old 12-08-2010, 05:56 PM
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If someone stole secrets during WWII and gave them to a German to take back home, with your reasoning we should let the german go. Espionage and treason are not limited to citizens.
Back then we had balls, both parties would be tried and jailed for life or shot.

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