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Old 04-04-2011, 01:38 AM
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Old 04-04-2011, 04:31 AM
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Thanks Chris. Just because some people don't like the truth doesn't make it a lie. I'm still waiting for the thread on all the deaths of innocent people in the name of religions other than islam. Some just can't handle the truth. To keep things relevant let's discuss things in the last 2 centuries. Any takers?
Are you kidding? Space does not permit a serious exploration of that topic. In brief:

During the riotous partition of India, roughly half of the killing was done by Hindus, the rest by Muslims.

Other murderous rages in India centered around Sikhs v. Hindus:

The violence in Delhi was triggered by the assassination of Indira Gandhi on 31 October 1984, by two of her Sikh bodyguards in response to her actions during the preceding months. The Government of India reported 2,700 Sikh deaths however human rights organizations and newspapers report the death toll to be 10,000-17,000. In the aftermath of the riot, the Government of India reported 20,000 had fled the city, however the PUCL reported "at least" 50,000 displaced persons. The most affected regions were neighborhoods in Delhi. Human rights organizations and the newspapers believe the massacre was organized. The collusion of political officials in the massacres and the failure to prosecute any killers alienated normal Sikhs and increased support for the Khalistan movement. The Akal Takht, the governing religious body of Sikhism, considers the killings to be a genocide.

Buddhists, generally one religion poorly represented among the ranks of religious killers, found their fighting side in Sri Lanka. Buddhists were opposed to the Tamil minority making any inroads:

The Tigers are fighting for a separate homeland in the north and east for the Tamils, a mostly Hindu minority which has suffered decades of discrimination from the Buddhist Sinhalese majority. In recent months, the Tigers have stepped up a campaign of terror against both Sinhalese and Tamils, with bombings and the forcible recruitment of child soldiers.

The heavy cost of the war is evident throughout this tear-shaped island, where 70,000 have died since 1983. In the past 18 months, 5,000 have been killed - compared with 200 in the previous three years - shattering a 2002 ceasefire brokered by Norway.


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Northern Ireland came into being in a violent manner — a total of 557 people were killed in political or sectarian violence from 1920–1922, during and after the Irish War of Independence. Most were Catholics. (See also; Irish War of Independence in the North East.) The result was communal strife between Catholics and Protestants, with nationalists characterising this violence, especially that in Belfast, as a "pogrom" against their community, although one historian argues that the reciprocity of northern violence does not fit the pogrom model or imagery so well.

Much of the Christian violence against Jews occurred before your last two centuries parameter but w/o doubt, Jews suffered at the hands of Christians in Europe and Russia from 1800 on, and notably, uhhhh, from around 1936 to 1944.

This story of Jews being killed by Christians caught my eye:

As the Black Death epidemics devastated Europe in the mid-14th century, annihilating more than a half of the population, Jews were taken as scapegoats. Rumors spread that they caused the disease by deliberately poisoning wells. Hundreds of Jewish communities were destroyed by violence. Although Pope Clement VI tried to protect them by the July 6, 1348 papal bull and another 1348 bull, several months later, 900 Jews were burnt alive in Strasbourg, where the plague hadn't yet affected the city.

And who can forget the 1.5 to 3 million Vietnamese who were killed by US Christians largely onnaccount the Vittnamese were Godless commies.

And, of course, the wholesale slaughter of heathen savages in the American colonies and the US West by God-fearing Christians. God only knows how many were killed.

Mormons, early on, were subject to violence inflicted by other Christians, and founder Joseph Smith was killed by a mob in Illinois. Later in Utah, under the leadership of Brigham Young, they carried out their own massacre:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

During the initial assault on the wagon train, the emigrants fought back and a five-day siege ensued. Eventually fear spread among the militia's leaders that some emigrants had caught sight of white men, and had probably discovered who their attackers really were. This resulted in an order by militia commander William H. Dame for the emigrants' annihilation. Running low on water and provisions, the emigrants allowed a party of militiamen to enter their camp who assured them of their safety and escorted them out of their hasty fortification. After walking a distance from the camp, the militiamen, with the help of auxiliary forces hiding nearby, attacked the emigrants. Intending to leave no witnesses of complicity by Mormons (members of the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or LDS Church) in the attacks, and to prevent reprisals that would further complicate the Utah War, the perpetrators killed all the adults and older children (totaling about 120 men, women, and children). Seventeen children, all younger than seven, were spared.

You might want to look into French treatment of Muslims in Algeria and of residents of Indochina in the last two centuries. They were not exactly targeting the natives because of their religion but I doubt that the Algerians were any more highly regarded than were Jews in France, and religious differences were a large part of the boundary between them.

And Lloyd George of Britain said, regarding Iraqis who were in the way of British colonial efforts in Iraq (oddly enough), "We reserve the right to bomb the n******." Rhymes with diggers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489572/Row-erupts-statue-unveiled-racist-PM-Lloyd-George.html

In short, people can be real bastards, sometimes.
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:54 AM
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Are you kidding? ...
Most of the incidents you reference have little to do with individuals becoming terrorists in the name of religion.

Vietnam was a religious christian war against non christians? That's part of your argument? Get real.

Religion in the 1400's? Your daddy killed my daddy 600 years ago so I get to commit terrorists acts? That's part of your argument? Get real.

Do you understand we are talking about terrorist acts not war? Do you want to equate terrorist acts with acts of war?
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Old 04-04-2011, 10:19 AM
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Just because some people don't like the truth doesn't make it a lie. I'm still waiting for the thread on all the deaths of innocent people in the name of religions other than islam. Some just can't handle the truth. To keep things relevant let's discuss things in the last 2 centuries. Any takers?
You mean like the policeman in Ireland that was injured by a bomb . . . http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-04/northern-ireland-s-mcguinness-says-dissidents-are-enemies-.html

There remains sectarian violence in non-Islamic nations, to deny it would be untruthful.

To say that all the events that Chris has posted is religious, rather than political or old fashioned "gang turf" violence, is also untruthful.

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Old 04-04-2011, 10:39 AM
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You confuse culture with religion, the acts you condemn were practiced long before Islam. Acts of terror are committed by criminals, their religion incidental. And to be consistent you and the OP must also condemn Christianity, Judaism, and all faiths, as members of all religions have also committed equally heinous criminal acts.
your logic is severely flawed here....I know it's difficult, but think in the present. what is going on now.....
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Yo -Bell...Michigan Avenue and Greenfeild rd, Dearborn, Michigan, end of this month..join your hero Radical militant fundementalist Christian Pastor Terry Jones as he marches on the largest Mosque in North America.
Feel the excitement of being in a crowd of likeminded individuals, as they attempt to further their cause, almost the same as a Klan rally..dunno if you have ever been to one of those..I saw one in Ann Abror, Michigan, and will never forget the moment the tear gas canisters were despensed, never forget seeing the Police bust heads of clan supporters.



Your poorly cloaked intonations of violence that will befall those who dare to exercise their free speech rights in this country are not unnoticed. I think the last thing that islamic belivers in this country want is to make a martyr, literally or figuratively of Pastor Jones. Doing so could make every muslim, radical or not, in this country a target of reprisal. If the goal of the Dearborn mosques is domestic violence, they should not assume that it will go unanswered by the American people. No one is afraid of your terroristic threats.........

Jones may be an idiot, and foolish, but if any muslim here thinks that they can pull off the cr#p going on in the rest of the world here, then they will have a most unwelcome surprise. Quit threatening.....live in peace here, within the tenets of our constitution, or leave.

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Old 04-04-2011, 11:50 AM
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Yo -Bell...Michigan Avenue and Greenfeild rd, Dearborn, Michigan, end of this month..join your hero Radical militant fundementalist Christian Pastor Terry Jones as he marches on the largest Mosque in North America.
Feel the excitement of being in a crowd of likeminded individuals, as they attempt to further their cause, almost the same as a Klan rally..dunno if you have ever been to one of those..I saw one in Ann Abror, Michigan, and will never forget the moment the tear gas canisters were despensed, never forget seeing the Police bust heads of clan supporters.


Your poorly cloaked intonations of violence that will befall those who dare to exercise their free speech rights in this country are not unnoticed. I think the last thing that islamic belivers in this country want is to make a martyr, literally or figuratively of Pastor Jones. Doing so could make every muslim, radical or not, in this country a target of reprisal. If the goal of the Dearborn mosques is doemstic violence, they should not assume that it will go unanswered by the American people. No one is afraid of your terroristic threats.........

Jones may be an idiot, and foolish, but if any muslim here thinks that they can pull off the cr#p going on in the rest of the world here, then they will have a most unwelcome surprise. Quit threatening.....live in peace here, within the tenets of our constitution, or leave.
Negative Jake..you are far from the mark.
I am have made no threats, nor do I condone violence, nor do I wish to see 1 hair on that idiots head harmed.


Use your head, and try not to let your emotions rule.

Bottom line...this will not turn out as that radical militant thinks it will.

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I find it ironic that when the Left and those opposed to the US want to burn the Flag, or hang a former President in effigy, we're all suppose to bend over and take it.

But, one person, albeit a "fruitcake" just like the "flagburners," decides to carry out his "plan" to fry a Qur’an, and the whole world ends up goes nucking futs.

You'd think this "book-burning" should be equated on the same level as the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and his wife was for the tipping point of WWI.?

Hardly.

But to sit down and compare individual events, separated by years and actual participants, as a reason for religous/ethic genocide and all being intertwined as a great, unspeakable act of conspiracy? And trying to "intelligently" discuss it?

How do you make sense of stupidity?

Go make up a bowl of Jello and when it's all setup and firm, let us know how well it stays nailed to a tree. And "NO!" You can't do it north of the 40th Parallel...too cold.

That'd be cheating...
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I think people should stop using smileys in every post; it looks juvenile.
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Kubisa, Iraq: Terrorists shoot six security guards to death. 6 Dead 8 Injured
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jn2hj_uEVEDAfPuMOXczKM0Gy1uA?docId=CNG.0036c9560bca2e03ee429fb8f0b51538.691
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Sakhi Sarwar, Pakistan: Sufi worshippers are sent to Allah by two Sunni suicide bombers at their temple. 42 Dead 70 Injured
http://www.christianpost.com/news/taliban-militants-bomb-muslim-shrine-in-pakistan-kill-42-49696/

I wonder if the attackers blew up or burned any Qurans during the attack?
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Most of the incidents you reference have little to do with individuals becoming terrorists in the name of religion.

Vietnam was a religious christian war against non christians? That's part of your argument? Get real.

Religion in the 1400's? Your daddy killed my daddy 600 years ago so I get to commit terrorists acts? That's part of your argument? Get real.

Do you understand we are talking about terrorist acts not war? Do you want to equate terrorist acts with acts of war?
You mean you think I'm wrong? Well knock me over with a feather ya'all.

All of those incidents involved the aggressor party thinking they were better than the victim party, quite similar to the xenophobic distaste radical Muslims have for 'infidels.'

1400s? I didn't mention anything in that time period other than the 900 Jews being burned alive in France, and that was just to expand on the range of Christian barbarity towards Jews, which, as we know, continued well into the 20th century.

War is a sustained application of terror. What, you think 'shock and awe' wasn't a form of terrorism?

Broad swathes of the US dehumanized Vietnamese as Godless gooks. Westmoreland can be seen on the movie Hearts and Minds describing how the "Oriental" doesn't value life the same way we do. The diabolical film-makers had the gall to intersperse clips of a Vietnamese girl crying her eyes out at her father's funeral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huFh760p-MA

I understand that you and Chris Bellicose are attached to the notion that it's Islam that is evil, and we who are good, and that attitude itself is at the heart of religious violence: we're God's chosen and you are heathen scum.

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