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Old 08-14-2011, 04:04 AM
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Here is the main problem.
We do not require a majority of the vote to be for one person.
We do for any other race... from the lowest up TO the presidency... and don't get me started on the electoral college.....
If we required an actual majority of the popular vote... then third parties ...or forth parties .... could get into the action and provide their ideas...which in the past have been very helpful... but when it comes down to ' the lesser of two evils'.... you still wind up with an ' evil'...
In other words... we should have a runoff election if one person does not get a majority of the popular vote for president.
I'm not convinced that in today's environment, having 3 or 4 or 5 parties will be an asset any more than the 2 we have. Right now, it is the lesser of 2 evils. What is to say that having 4 or 6 parties won't result in the lesser of 6 evils?

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I am working with three different physicians, a psychologist, a counselor, a physical therapist, a chiropractor and a naturopath.
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Why not an exorcist? If demons cause disease, wouldn't an exorcist be useful? I've seen people like Bickle cast out cancer demons. I assume you don't think your disease is caused by a demon. How do you tell the difference between diseases caused by demons and not caused by demons?
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With all of these demons, angels, djinn and what have you struggling for my soul, it's a wonder they haven't broken any furniture.
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With all of these demons, angels, djinn and what have you struggling for my soul, it's a wonder they haven't broken any furniture.
The conversation makes me realize that there's been a massive population die-off in the spiritual world. In almost every philosophy of religion class at US universities, at least a third and perhaps half of the class will be spent discussing the existence of one single non-physical being; God. This is quite odd since looking at the span of history, most people who believed that God existed saw it as just one amongst a whole populated universe of non-physical beings. Angels, demons, archangels, devils, spirits etc. It's comparable to the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event in the physical world.
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Why not an exorcist? If demons cause disease, wouldn't an exorcist be useful? I've seen people like Bickle cast out cancer demons. I assume you don't think your disease is caused by a demon. How do you tell the difference between diseases caused by demons and not caused by demons?
Exorcism deals with possession by un-clean spirits, a frightfully rare situation that I hope to never be anywhere near.

The link the OP posted dealt with harassment which is typically called oppression.

I am working with healing through spiritual means as well.

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...Oh. To the list of folks helping me right now I also have a prayer-team across the country. And quite a few folks right here on PP. ...
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Old 08-14-2011, 10:39 AM
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... most people who believed that God existed saw it as just one amongst a whole populated universe of non-physical beings. Angels, demons, archangels, devils, spirits etc. ....
Speaking of Christianity much of the current adherents live in areas were there have been generations of true, Spirit-filled believers who proceeded them and 'cleansed' the land.

Also much of what is called Christianity today is a watered-down message that is more concerned with social norms than hearing the Word and following the Lord.

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Speaking of Christianity much of the current adherents live in areas were there have been generations of true, Spirit-filled believers who proceeded them and 'cleansed' the land.

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Are you saying that the die off of demons in the USA is comparable to the extinction of large land mammals when humans first came to the continent? Seriously?? How do you know this? Is there such a thing as spiritual archaeology which digs into the past to figure out what demons previously lived in the land?
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Are you saying that the die off of demons in the USA is comparable to the extinction of large land mammals when humans first came to the continent? Seriously?? How do you know this? Is there such a thing as spiritual archaeology which digs into the past to figure out what demons previously lived in the land?
In a land with strong, genuine Christian expression the population is decreased by binding them in the name of Jesus.

Matt. 16:19 - I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

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But how do you know that's true? There are tons of magical claims like that in various religions of the world. Some want sacrifices, some want some virgins, some the ingestion of mind altering chemicals. How do you test the various methods? It gets us back to the original question of how do you know they exist at all? Without knowing their existence how can you identify if they have been removed from the land? Was there an identifiable exodus?
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How does faith help a person distinguish between various methods of demon control? How does faith measure the number of demons that populate a land? sjh claims a population reduction. Doesn't that require some form of measurement?
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How does faith help a person distinguish between various methods of demon control? How does faith measure the number of demons that populate a land? sjh claims a population reduction. Doesn't that require some form of measurement?
The quote from Matthew states that the actions of those on earth may lead to decrease or increase.

As western civilization has left behind belief in the Word of God and embraced what is called post-modernism the quantity and virulence of spiritual pathogens has increased.

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Botnst is correct of course, that the walk and the life can only be done by Faith.

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As western civilization has left behind belief in the Word of God and embraced what is called post-modernism the quantity and virulence of spiritual pathogens has increased.

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Botnst is correct of course, that the walk and the life can only be done by Faith.

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Measurement of numbers of demons requires numbers. How many were there before post-modernism and how many are there now? How was the counting done? Do people do demon surveys the same way biologists do surveys of deer population? Even if it's done by faith, any statement of increase or decrease involves numbers. What are those numbers? 5000 demons in 1961 and 500,000 demons in 2011? You seem pretty confident that it has happened so you must have some idea of the numbers.
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How does faith help a person distinguish between various methods of demon control? How does faith measure the number of demons that populate a land? sjh claims a population reduction. Doesn't that require some form of measurement?
I would put the question this way: What other tool could possibly be used to accomplish these tasks?
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I would put the question this way: What other tool could possibly be used to accomplish these tasks?
Bald assertion seems to be the only method I've seen so far.

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