"JERUSALEM — A dull-looking chart projected on the wall of a university office in Jerusalem displayed a revelation that would startle many readers of the Old Testament: The sacred text that people revered in the past was not the same one we study today. . ."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44117239/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/scholars-seek-correct-mistakes-bible/?fb_ref=.TkUeDrdCQxk.like&fb_source=home_oneline

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I agree. They should make a new testament.

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Your funny.



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The dance between history, scholarship, faith, etc continues.

We will undoubtedly learn/discover/etc more with time.

Uh, I think they did that already, didn't they?

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I think that was his point.

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Thomas Jefferson took out some of the stuff he didn't go along with . . . .

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That's generally against divine law if you're not king.

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A new monk arrives at the monastery. He is assigned to help the other monks in copying the old texts by hand. He notices, however, that they are copying copies, not the original books. So, the new monk goes to the head monk to ask him about this. He points out that if there were an error in the first copy, that error would be continued in all of the other copies.

The head monk says "We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son, and actually there are a couple of passages I've been wondering about anyway." So, he goes down into the cellar with one of the copies to check it against the original.

Hours later, nobody has seen him. So, one of the monks goes downstairs to look for him. He hears a sobbing coming from the back of the cellar, and finds the old monk leaning over one of the original books crying. He asks what's wrong.

The old monk sobs, "The word is celebrate."



I've been in the publishing business for over 30 years. I know how editing goes. Throw in an agenda or two and you can't be sure what you will get.

Good one.

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The article makes an error.
"For many Jews and Christians, religion dictates that the words of the Bible in the original Hebrew are divine, unaltered and unalterable. "

This is not true. The doctrine is very specific and refers to the words of the original autographs. Those words, as originally written down are what we hold to be inerrant. Further, we do believe that the copies we have today are substantially the same as those autographs.
I see nothing in that article that would dispute that.

The art of textural criticism has long studied how mss errors occur, and has established general rules. One of these is illustrated in the article---the longer reading is to be preferred. The reasoning is that it is more likely that a scribe might skip a line or a word rather than add. There are exceptions, even to this, such as explanatory comments ( margin notes) that might have been added to the text during a recopy .

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Methodical dispassionate response.

Reasoned, refers to established methodology.

I appreciate the answer.

And for those who are interested in the exchange of ideas, I greatly respect MS Fowlers understanding of Christian doctrine.

However, the view he expresses here is different than mine. Similar but there are important differences.

No reason to go into them. Just to let you know that not all believers walk in lock-step, are brain-washed, have drunken from the same kool-aid, etc.

Critics abound but a simple reading of the exchanges here shows they aren't willing to go toe-to-toe.

Only take cheap shots and run.

Since the original autographs are not available then that dogma seems irrelevant and the belief which holds that today's copies are substantially the same is unwarranted since there is no way of comparing the two.

On a related note, how could anyone write down what God said without any chance of miscommunication? Could the writer have misheard?

Is that a methodical dispassionate response?

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I do not subscribe to a "dictation" theory of inspiration. God is more subtle than that. God caused the writers to record what He wanted, period.

The doctrine of inerrant autographs is in no w2ay irrelevant. That is why we care so much that the textural critics do their job. They point back to earlier copies, and still, AFAIK, no significant alternate readings.

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Human intepretation of a diety.

Still copies and hence not inerrant on your terms.

For much of the biblical material it seems likely that the written versions are actually pretty late constructions. It's likely that much of the gospels for instance were stories passed along by word of mouth for a long time. Do you think the verbal stories were inspired or only became inspired once written down?

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