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Old 08-15-2011, 05:44 PM
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Cheerleaders are marketable, same old dog and pony show. Same money pays republican's bills and pays Tea Party bills. They are trying to diffuse the vote the way it is believed Nader did.

She does look good, especially with the corn dog. See her hubby? He's a corn dog too, kinda ruins the image for me.
If the TP is nothing more than old line repubs dressed up in new clothes, then why do they hate the TP almost as much as the dems?
The TP is something new; it is a grass roots rebellion against politics as usual. They have already changed the debate--there is talk of cuts.
They were responsible for the largest rejection of the party in power last year. Who knows what they might be able to do in the future?
and no, I am not a TP member. I have not even attended a rally.

I hope the dems' attitude is reflected in Harry Reid's rather abrupt dismissal of them. Please continue to ignore them.

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Cheerleaders are marketable, same old dog and pony show. Same money pays republican's bills and pays Tea Party bills. They are trying to diffuse the vote the way it is believed Nader did.

She does look good, especially with the corn dog. See her hubby? He's a corn dog too, kinda ruins the image for me.
her husband?

might want to google "marcus bachmann" and "closet case".
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Old 08-16-2011, 07:58 AM
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The corndog effectively muffles all traces of her dialect...
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:42 PM
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Do some research on a group from about 35 years ago called 'The Liberty Lobby'. I seem to recall they were fired up about a lot of the same things then as the Tea Party is now.

One thing they saw the danger in was political control of the media. It was their feeling that if a political party ever gained total control over a news outlet then where would be the incentive for the Party to ever report the truth?

They also warned against anyone who attended meetings held by what they called 'The Bilderbergers' since this was, in their opinion, a One World Order sort of thing.

I think this group is still around. They may have a web site or something.

But one way in which they differed from the current Tea Party is that they had leadership and it spoke with one voice. The Tea Party prides its' self on having no central leadership which allows them to try and be all things to all people and to change their views to whichever way the wind is blowing.

I think the biggest problem the Tea Party is going to have going forward is that they now have the Republican Party trying to shut them down. The Republicans came up with this group and thought they could control them. Now they have found that they cannot.

It will be interesting to see how much Republican support the TP gets in the future now that they have made it clear they do not intend to do as they as told.
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:07 PM
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if a political party ever gained total control over a news outlet then where would be the incentive for the Party to ever report the truth?
You mean like, um.......FOX "News?"
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:12 PM
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Do some research on a group from about 35 years ago called 'The Liberty Lobby'. I seem to recall they were fired up about a lot of the same things then as the Tea Party is now.

One thing they saw the danger in was political control of the media. It was their feeling that if a political party ever gained total control over a news outlet then where would be the incentive for the Party to ever report the truth?

They also warned against anyone who attended meetings held by what they called 'The Bilderbergers' since this was, in their opinion, a One World Order sort of thing.

I think this group is still around. They may have a web site or something.

But one way in which they differed from the current Tea Party is that they had leadership and it spoke with one voice. The Tea Party prides its' self on having no central leadership which allows them to try and be all things to all people and to change their views to whichever way the wind is blowing.

I think the biggest problem the Tea Party is going to have going forward is that they now have the Republican Party trying to shut them down. The Republicans came up with this group and thought they could control them. Now they have found that they cannot.

It will be interesting to see how much Republican support the TP gets in the future now that they have made it clear they do not intend to do as they as told.

I believe you are in error when you state that the Republican Party came up with the Tea Party. Is that a talking point? Why the disinformation?
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I believe you are in error when you state that the Republican Party came up with the Tea Party. Is that a talking point? Why the disinformation?
I don't know who came up with the Tea Party, but the GOP has had a hand in promoting it. The problem is that they have helped create a Frankenstein monster that might end up really hurting the GOP.
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:55 PM
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I don't know who came up with the Tea Party, but the GOP has had a hand in promoting it. The problem is that they have helped create a Frankenstein monster that might end up really hurting the GOP.
There is some in-fighting among repubs. The social conservatives and the country club Repubs don't agree on much, except they don't like Dems.
IMO the CC Repubs are more like democrate-lite.
The repubs have the TP to thank for their majority in the House.

I don't dispute that after the TP became a movement that some traditional Repb funding became available---probably as an attempt to gain control over them.
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I don't know who came up with the Tea Party, but the GOP has had a hand in promoting it. The problem is that they have helped create a Frankenstein monster that might end up really hurting the GOP.
I'm good with that. Now if only something or someone would stir up the Democratic party.

Lots of 'pubs have glommed onto the Tea Party hoping to gain their support come election time. Then they're surprised when the TP talks about withdrawing their support unless they follow through on their promises. Now, we will need to wait and see if the TP actively supports alternative candidates to the ones they helped elect this past election cycle and have since strayed. I don't always agree with them (or the fringes that have hopped on for the ride), but if they turn on candidates who do things contrary to what gained them the support last time around, I'd at least respect them for putting principal/policy above party.

I don't think many TP members (I know several quite well who jumped in back when it was the Taxed Enough Already crowd) give a rats patootie if a GOP candidate loses that goes against their principals. Some hangers-on and wannabe's and the party itself sure do, though.
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Show me an objective recounting of Ronald Reagan by the Tea Party.

Show me where the Tea Party platform puts the voter's interests before big money's interests. For example, cuts to subsidies for big money.

But mostly, follow the money, who promotes the Tea Party?

I think we need to diffuse the power of the party system but I don't think a third party will do it and certainly not the Tea Party. But I like the idea of the Tea Party anyway because it is a step in the right direction even if it is another boot on another throat.

BTW, was the original Tea Party a myth too? Some say so.

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Show me "The Tea Party" charter and I'll show you what it believes.
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But mostly, follow the money, who promotes the Tea Party?
One of the things that has become obvious is that TP politicians are principled, and cannot be bought. One of the frustrations the repub leadership complained of was that they could not control the TP members by the normal offer/ threat --re-election help, prominent committee assignments etc.
No doubt that some old repub money is funding some TP activities, but that does not equate to control.
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