Interesting article in regards to defense spending - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

engatwork · #1 08-15-2011, 09:22 AM

Defense spending cuts needed

No surprise here.

Hatterasguy · #2 08-15-2011, 09:44 AM

The missing money is probably for black projects.

Ending the wars will save a good chunk, but defense spending creates a lot of jobs in my state so we like it.

What the Navy really needs are more subs from Electric Boat!

spdrun · #3 08-15-2011, 09:48 AM

^^^

The companies have a lot of engineering talent. They can use it to create products for export, rather than weapons of war. Hey, worked well enough for Germany and Japan after 1945.

Rafi · #4 08-15-2011, 10:50 AM

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^^^

The companies have a lot of engineering talent. They can use it to create products for export, rather than weapons of war. Hey, worked well enough for Germany and Japan after 1945.

weapons of war also get exported. US is the world top weapons exporter. maybe even more than all the rest of the world combined weapons export. will this clasify us as rogue state ?

spdrun · #5 08-15-2011, 10:52 AM

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weapons of war also get exported. US is the world top weapons exporter. maybe even more than all the rest of the world combined weapons export. will this clasify us as rogue state ?

Yep, and then we have to spend money fighting the people whom we sold said murder weapons to. Screw the defense industry with a pongee stick. If the parasites involved in it end up out on the street, so much the better.

Fulcrum525 · #6 08-15-2011, 12:42 PM

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Yep, and then we have to spend money fighting the people whom we sold said murder weapons to. Screw the defense industry with a pongee stick. If the parasites involved in it end up out on the street, so much the better.

Not necessarily. When you sell small arms that could be a problem but the big high-tech stuff is relatively useless if the U.S cuts off support for such weapons. Look at the state of Irans F-14s or Venezuelas F-16s as good examples.

Botnst · #7 08-15-2011, 12:53 PM

Bringing home the troops will involve releasing a couple hundred thousand young men into the workforce that is in the midst of a recession.

Many of these young men are highly trained in the violent arts of unconventional warfare.

I'm not saying we should keep them fighting an increasingly unpopular war indefinitely.

All I'm saying is that we need to think this thing all of the way through.

aklim · #8 08-15-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Yep, and then we have to spend money fighting the people whom we sold said murder weapons to. Screw the defense industry with a pongee stick. If the parasites involved in it end up out on the street, so much the better.

That would be a brilliant idea if it wasn't for 2 things.

1. You close shop? Fine. The Russian govt needs money. Screw you and the horse you rode in on. I'll go buy from the Russians. Now what?

2. If those "parasites" end up on the street, what about the people they employ?

tjts1 · #9 08-15-2011, 12:57 PM

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Not necessarily. When you sell small arms that could be a problem but the big high-tech stuff is relatively useless if the U.S cuts off support for such weapons. Look at the state of Irans F-14s or Venezuelas F-16s as good examples.

Yup, both still flying along side newer Russian aircraft.

Hatterasguy · #10 08-15-2011, 01:51 PM

Yes but they are obsolete and don't have the avionics that ours had, which are still obsolete.

Or to put it another way an F22 would blow them out of the air like they were training targets. As would any 5th generation fighter including the latest Chinese and Russian planes.

BAVBMW · #11 08-15-2011, 02:24 PM

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Yes but they are obsolete and don't have the avionics that ours had, which are still obsolete.

Or to put it another way an F22 would blow them out of the air like they were training targets. As would any 5th generation fighter including the latest Chinese and Russian planes.

Ah... But, for that to happen, we'd have to have F-22's flying. Or even an F-35 in the air, so you see...

MV

tjts1 · #12 08-15-2011, 03:03 PM

Thats kind of funny actually. Only the Russians have a 5th gen fighter flying at the moment.

spdrun · #13 08-15-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

That would be a brilliant idea if it wasn't for 2 things.

1. You close shop? Fine. The Russian govt needs money. Screw you and the horse you rode in on. I'll go buy from the Russians. Now what?

2. If those "parasites" end up on the street, what about the people they employ?

They've been riding the gravy train too long. Suggest they find a real job or get one flipping burgers at Mickey Dee's. No particular sympathy for workers in that industry.

The Swede · #14 08-15-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Bringing home the troops will involve releasing a couple hundred thousand young men into the workforce that is in the midst of a recession.

Many of these young men are highly trained in the violent arts of unconventional warfare.

I'm not saying we should keep them fighting an increasingly unpopular war indefinitely.

All I'm saying is that we need to think this thing all of the way through.

They're arrival will (and is) keeping mental health professionals busy. The Army is hiring a cadre of social workers, addiction specialists and head shrinks!!

Skippy · #15 08-15-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Bringing home the troops will involve releasing a couple hundred thousand young men into the workforce that is in the midst of a recession.

Many of these young men are highly trained in the violent arts of unconventional warfare.

I'm not saying we should keep them fighting an increasingly unpopular war indefinitely.

All I'm saying is that we need to think this thing all of the way through.

You could put us to work securing our borders. It's a lot cheaper to keep troops supplied inconus rather than on the other side of the world. I know-Posse Comitatus Act, but there are ways around that if the will is there.