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aklim · #**226** 11-01-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Honus

For decades we have politicians getting elected saying that government can't do anything right. Once in office, they put all their energy in making sure that doesn't change.

Well, what we have is a used car salesman railing on the last guy who wanted to sell you a car about how the deal stinks and his sale will do better.

MS Fowler · #**227** 11-01-2011, 10:42 AM

So is continuing to elect career politicians a smart thing?
Of course, it does not follow that a non-career politicians will necessarily be any better.

chilcutt · #**228** 11-01-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

So is continuing to elect career politicians a smart thing?
Of course, it does not follow that a non-career politicians will necessarily be any better.

I sure do wish that General George S. Patton would have tried his hand at politics.

aklim · #**229** 11-01-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

So is continuing to elect career politicians a smart thing?
Of course, it does not follow that a non-career politicians will necessarily be any better.

You can only elect those that put their name up on the ballot. Those that do have the same agenda. That is like going to the ACK dog show and trying to buy the winning pony in the contest. What you have to realize is that the personality of the people that put their name in the contest are of that same mentality. Anyone who can do better will not want to deal with the bureaucratic mess that comes out of it. In Microsoft, Bill Gates is king. Now why would he want to give that up? As long as he follows the law, the can do what he wants within the company. As a congressman, he'd have to still suck up to the others. But lets say you talk to him. What can you tell him, given the current situation that would encourage him to run? Give up his autonomy for some silly goal that will never get done?

aklim · #**230** 11-01-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

I sure do wish that General George S. Patton would have tried his hand at politics.

To what end? He'd still have to deal with the crap so how would he or anyone be better?

chilcutt · #**231** 11-01-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

To what end? He'd still have to deal with the crap so how would he or anyone be better?

He would not hesitate to throw the sausage to a hostile adversary.

MS Fowler · #**232** 11-01-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

You can only elect those that put their name up on the ballot. Those that do have the same agenda. That is like going to the ACK dog show and trying to buy the winning pony in the contest. What you have to realize is that the personality of the people that put their name in the contest are of that same mentality. Anyone who can do better will not want to deal with the bureaucratic mess that comes out of it. In Microsoft, Bill Gates is king. Now why would he want to give that up? As long as he follows the law, the can do what he wants within the company. As a congressman, he'd have to still suck up to the others. But lets say you talk to him. What can you tell him, given the current situation that would encourage him to run? Give up his autonomy for some silly goal that will never get done?

Are you intentionally trying to depress me?

Botnst · #**233** 11-01-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

What, it only counts if done in a garage by two college students?

Silly.

The analogy failed because it leads to ridiculous conclusions, which you clearly demonstrated.

crs82 · #**234** 11-03-2011, 01:56 PM

House panel to subpoena WH Solyndra documents - CBS News

This should be an interesting legal battle. The WH doesn't get subpoenaed often.

MS Fowler · #**235** 11-03-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crs82

House panel to subpoena WH Solyndra documents - CBS News

This should be an interesting legal battle. The WH doesn't get subpoenaed often.

Too often its simply a partisan witch hunt. Maybe that's what it is this; maybe not. As with the Cain issue, time will tell. No good is served by rushing to judgment--in either case.

The problem with subpoenaing the WH in a partisan manner, is that, sooner or later, the political rolls get reversed, and then the party that was defending "excessive privilege" has to attack it, and vice versa.

In any event, it will be interesting.

panZZer · #**236** 11-03-2011, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

Yeah they should be more like Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank, John Kerry, Maxine "Guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal will be about socializing...uh, um...Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies." Waters, Barbara "Senator I've Earned It" Boxer, Hillary "Suspend Disbelief" Clinton, John "what good is reading the bill" Conyers, Hank "the island might tip over" Johnson, Al "I took the initiative in creating the internet" Gore, Nancy "every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs." Pelosi, Harry "This war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything." Reid, Debbie "We actually have not required in this law that you carry health insurance." Wasserman Schultz, or one of my personal favorites the man one heartbeat away, Joe "When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened."

billeeblogs hit list,
If frank did get on the TV -the only people who could have seen it happened to be visiting the 39 Worlds fair--and I dont think he was using it for a megaphone for his agenda..

Botnst · #**237** 11-03-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by crs82

House panel to subpoena WH Solyndra documents - CBS News

This should be an interesting legal battle. The WH doesn't get subpoenaed often.

It happens about every 4 years right before an election. Mere coincidence.

MTI · #**238** 06-23-2015, 07:58 PM

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2015/06/peter_davidson_steps_down_from_energy_department_his_loan_program_was_responsible.html

Despite Solyndra, the program turned a profit.

The numbers are certainly far better than that. It looks like a very solid portfolio of loans to revenue-generating projects that have served as a catalyst for a vast new industry. And the program has not exhausted its authority. Since the beginning of 2014, it has approved $6.5 billion in loan guarantees to a nuclear project in Georgia and granted a conditional commitment to Alcoa for $259 million to help finance its efforts to use aluminum in autos.

aklim · #**239** 06-23-2015, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Peter Davidson steps down from Energy Department: His loan program was responsible for Solyndra, and it did a great job.

Despite Solyndra, the program turned a profit.

The numbers are certainly far better than that. It looks like a very solid portfolio of loans to revenue-generating projects that have served as a catalyst for a vast new industry. And the program has not exhausted its authority. Since the beginning of 2014, it has approved $6.5 billion in loan guarantees to a nuclear project in Georgia and granted a conditional commitment to Alcoa for $259 million to help finance its efforts to use aluminum in autos.

Might I ask what the point is? That under certain circumstances that I deem necessary, govt intervention is good even though due diligence gives way to politics?

Solyndra

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On September 8, 2011, Solyndra was raided by the FBI investigating the company.[28]

In September 2011, federal agents visited the homes of Brian Harrison, the company's CEO, and Chris Gronet, the company's founder, to examine computer files and documents.[29] Also, in September 2011, the US Department of the Treasury launched an investigation.[30]

On September 29, 2011, a US Department of the Treasury official confirmed that the criminal probe of Solyndra is focused on whether the company and its officers misrepresented the firm’s finances to the government in seeking the loan or engaged in accounting fraud.[31]

On October 7, 2011, newly revealed emails showed that the Obama administration had concerns about the legality of the Department of Energy's loan restructuring plan and warned OMB director Jeffrey D. Zients that the plan should be cleared with the Department of Justice first, which the Department of Energy had not done. The emails also revealed that as early as August 2009, an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had asked a Department of Energy official if he could discuss any concerns among the investment community about Solyndra but that the official dismissed the idea that Solyndra had financial problems.

Question: Your kid gets busted for shoplifting and you punish him. A year later, you find out he has been doing it since but successfully and not gotten caught by store security. Should you:

a. discipline him (by whatever means you consider discipline WITHIN REASON)
b. "Atta Boy". Good that you haven't gotten busted since that first time

Idle · #**240** 06-24-2015, 11:37 AM

I think Republicans have to keep this Solyndra thing before the public because so many people know so little about it. As long as Conservatives continue to trust the right wing media for the story on this they will crave the attention it brings to their favorite cause of hating on Obama.

But what if they ever wake up to the fact that the loan was suggested and approved by the G. W. Bush administration? All Obama's people had to do with it was to write the check that Bush had already locked them into writing during the last days of Bush's administration.

I think their reaction would be something like...... Look! A squirrel!