With Jim B's past profession a known it's clear he should know and understand the rules. Much like a judge who thinks he is above the law I'd be inclined prefer to not give him a "pass" but instead double the punishment.

I could not find the quote either. Given that Lt. Calley was convicted of murder I think the quote was made by someone on the prosecution in his case. It does not sound like something Calley would say. Coming from him it would sound like an admission.

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I don't think it has anything to do with Calley.

At best, I think it's a poor attempt to highlight what I presume to be Billybob's error in his statement but taken to an extreme point.

I think Billybob is missing a "not" in the sentence; otherwise his sentence makes no sense and would actually support the point he appears to be arguing against. For example, because, as written by Billybob, military service DOES absolve people of any stupidity, then as incorrectly attributed by Jim B to Lt Calley, anything you do (or say) is okay, as long as you're in the military.

I have bolded and underlined the portion of the quote in order to highlight it. It is otherwise unedited from Billybob's post.


Using Billybob's logic, as written, because the soldier IS in the armed services, he is absolved from any stupidity. If he's absolved, why would he have deserved boos and catcalls?

Jim B. may have been taken it at face value and extrapolated, and as near as I can tell falsely attributed, it to Lt Calley and tried to make a "I was in the military and only following orders and am therefore absolved" point.

If so, it seems to be in poor taste.

If not, then I don't understand what either Billybob or Jim B. was trying to say.

Who here would repeal the decision to not discriminate in the military, based on sexual preference ?

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Ah! Yes, I did inadvertently leave out the “not” in my original statement, yak is correct in his analysis. I’ll go back and correct that omission and notate it.

As far as the violation of the TOU, Jim B has often happily offered commentary as to what he considers violations of the TOU by those with whom he disagrees and perhaps he had not updated his understanding to include Tyler/Paul/Tom’s newest provision.

The sentence he quoted was authored by me and as far as I know (nor apparently any one else) has no connection to any words of Calley. My failure to include the “not” changed the intended meaning of my sentence and gave Jim B. his opportunity to understand it as written, rather than as my position was intended to be presented.

Rather than add words inside a quote box giving the appearance that the words where actually “Calley’s” (and it is clear that is exactly what occurred by Tom and david) he could have quoted my mis-speak and then commented outside and separate of the quoted material.

As to the origin of that provision of the TOU perhaps layback will elect to provide some of the background on the impetuous for its development and implementation, as if I recall correctly he was at least in part involved and perhaps even received an infraction related to those original circumstances.

My comments of course carry no authority now.

I was just commenting on my iterpertation of it based on what I remember of the conversations which went back and forth about the rule.

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Hey now- lets give credit where its due! Tom invented that rule to infract me for a post of mine that was critical of union teachers. Of course it was a retroactive rule because when I did my evil deed the rule had not been invented, and as far as I know has not been used against any other member, despite frequent blatant abuses. Sort of a "boutique" way of determining the rules. Reminds me of the way our current administration does things! Things will sort themselves out in 2012 just like they did here though
I wonder if all the eternally offended were as outraged when their homosexual hippie dope fiend comrades were spitting on Viet Nam Veterans. Somehow I doubt it. My policy when I was in the Army was EKSUAGBTW: EVERYONE KNOWS, SHUT UP AND GET BACK TO WORK. I feel sorry for most gays as they seem to spend an inordinate amount of time being offended, or looking for something to be offended about, in order to justify their hate for those who don't wish to validate their lifestyle. (which is, unfortunately, a majority of the population)

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"homosexual hippie dope feind comrades".
Sounds like some misplaced anger on your part.
It would be interesting to hear your explanation of the My Lai massacre.
Unless you served in Nam..dont speak on it.

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HA! HA! HA! No wonder Tyler posted it!
So many serial offenders to keep track of I get them mixed up, my apologies! Yeah, Ex Post Facto 101 isn't a require class at Mod U! But, "I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it" 101 is a required Pass-Fail class!

Unless you've served in combat how could you comprehend any explaination?

So the deeds of that pshyco Lt. Calley, and the other soldiers that smashed in the skulls of innocent women and children..who blew the heads off of innocent villagers in My Lai..and the puke who exhonerated all of them are ok in your book.

Tells me a lot about what sort of person you are.

Also explains why the U.S. foriegn policys/military adventures are looked upon with disgust by many countrys around the globe.

Just because your boys did it/do these things, doesnt make it alright BB.

Somehow I feel very sad for you, and can only pray for your callous heart/black soul.

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Originally Posted by chilcutt So the deeds of that pshyco Lt. Calley, and the other soldiers that smashed in the skulls of innocent women and children..who blew the heads off of innocent villagers in My Lai..and the puke who exhonerated all of them are ok in your book.

Please spare everyone your moralizing! You made the statements:

"It would be interesting to hear your explanation of the My Lai massacre.
Unless you served in Nam..dont speak on it."

You state an interest in hearing someone’s thoughts and then you qualify that with unless they served they shouldn't speak!

Anyone who reads this can only come to the conclusion that in your mind only someone who served in Vietnam can provide a valid explanation. If we follow that logic then only someone who served in Vietnam can possess a valid understanding!

You don't fool anybody but yourself with that BS. It's clear from your many posts that you have neither served your country or any purpose beyond yourself nor have you ever committed yourself to any struggle that pitted you against adversaries in a contest with consequences of failure being the likelihood of severe casualty or death.

Until you stand up for something and put yourself in harms way risking your life along with lives of other men who do that, your judgment of such men means nothing.

I invented no rules by myself in my former role as Zookeeper here.

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When I was in the military 40 - odd years ago homosexual behavior would most definitely get you a butt-kicking and an undesirable discharge. OTOH, I knew a few sailors who were well-known to be homosexual. On the ship they were good sailors who did their jobs efficiently, were on time for watch changes, and got along well with their shipmates.

How could that happen at a time of such hostility toward gays?

I think 2 reasons:
1. Before we had don't ask, don't tell, we had MYOB. If your behavior encroached on my space (or vice-versa) we might have a problem. MYOB works for everybody.
2. They were good sailors, as described above. Folks who MYOB and do their jobs efficiently and on time get a lot of cover from their shipmates.

In retrospect, I can hardly imagine how difficult life must have been for them. They had a narrow path to follow and little room for their own lives.

Coincidentally, my niece and her husband visited yesterday. He's a submarine sailor. I asked him about what he though of having females aboard ship and the whole homosexual thing. He said gays have been on subs a long time and it's not an issue. H said that wives were having a tougher time dealing with the change to female sailors on the subs than the husbands. Like THAT'S a surprise, huh?