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Old 10-20-2011, 10:38 PM
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Underpaid government employees?

Federal workers earning double their private counterparts - USATODAY.com I wonder how they would fare if they actually had to compete in the free market? Your tax dollars at work.

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Why are you mad? The government printed the money that it pays to its employees. If anything, its your own fault for deciding that money is worth anything. I don't get why anyone ever gets mad about government spending. Its all monopoly money!
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I've been applying for federal jobs left and right for the last couple of days. If you can't beat 'em...
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thats nothing.the postal processing center in sioux city iowa has been on the list of centers to close for the last 5 yrs.it is supposedly now gonna close after the first of the year BUT for some reason some moron decided to renew their contract last year giving them a 4 yr contract.so the center will close yet the employee's will be paid for the next 3 yrs and have full benefits for doing NOTHING.they say the cost to US will be 1.8 million a year.
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:31 AM
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Federal workers earning double their private counterparts - USATODAY.com I wonder how they would fare if they actually had to compete in the free market? Your tax dollars at work.
Did you read the article? It indicated that the results were potentially skewed as, generally speaking, the federal workers possessed a higher level of education and skill than the private sector dregs that were offered as comparison. Oh never mind, I don't want to piss on your rant.
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:48 AM
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[Public employee unions say the compensation gap reflects the increasingly high level of skill and education required for most federal jobs and the government contracting out lower-paid jobs to the private sector in recent years.

"The data are not useful for a direct public-private pay comparison," says Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union.

Yes- I read the article. Looking at who said that the comparison is not useful says it all. While an education MAY be required for some government jobs, a "higher" level of skill certainly is not. BTW- what do you do for a living?
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[Public employee unions say the compensation gap reflects the increasingly high level of skill and education required for most federal jobs and the government contracting out lower-paid jobs to the private sector in recent years.

"The data are not useful for a direct public-private pay comparison," says Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union.

Yes- I read the article. Looking at who said that the comparison is not useful says it all. While an education MAY be required for some government jobs, a "higher" level of skill certainly is not. BTW- what do you do for a living?
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Burger King is considered private sector. The .gov does not have any comparable jobs, but, if you factor in the fact that the dish machine operator at Aramark still gets paid $7.65 to work in a .gov cafeteria the numbers might change a bit.
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Why are you mad? The government printed the money that it pays to its employees. If anything, its your own fault for deciding that money is worth anything. I don't get why anyone ever gets mad about government spending. Its all monopoly money!

If this is not a tongue in cheek comment, it would be very scary to think that very many people would believe this to be true.
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Burger King is considered private sector. The .gov does not have any comparable jobs, but, if you factor in the fact that the dish machine operator at Aramark still gets paid $7.65 to work in a .gov cafeteria the numbers might change a bit.

The government doesn't have any comparable jobs? There are government facilities everywhere that have cafeterias and food service workers. VA hospitals for example. Pay wise, their food service workers look like investment bankers compared to those working at Burger King.

Check your facts before posting. I'll even help you with sources: usajobs.gov & usa-jobs.com
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:39 AM
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The government doesn't have any comparable jobs? There are government facilities everywhere that have cafeterias and food service workers. VA hospitals for example. Pay wise, their food service workers look like investment bankers compared to those working at Burger King.

Check your facts before posting.
Absolutely not. Sodexho-Marriot, for example, derives at least $1 BILLION of its revenue from the US military.

Hmm, I say Sodexho-Marriot by habit. In any case I'd say Sodexho and Aramark owned about half the US government foodservice contracts in 2003. (I consulted for them) It might have changed since then.
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Most menial labor and service jobs in /gov are contract labor. Remember the whole Haliberton brouhaha? That company's subsidiary supplies services to the military overseas.

Let's say you are hired to clean portable toilets in Kandahar. How much compensation would it take?
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Most menial labor and service jobs in /gov are contract labor. Remember the whole Haliberton brouhaha? That company's subsidiary supplies services to the military overseas.

Let's say you are hired to clean portable toilets in Kandahar. How much compensation would it take?
Hey I know a guy who does it here. He says his company starts at $40k plus. Here though, in Minnesota.
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My wife is in Human Resources at a VA hospital where they are constantly hiring food service workers that work DIRECTLY for the VA. They also hire cleaning people and all sorts of other lower paying jobs. You can speculate all you want, but I know of what I speak on this subject.
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So do I Larry, and in all fairness I pretty much was done with the industry in 2003. But I do know then that Sodexho had a BILLION bucks on the table at the time. Aramark wasn't far behind. That's a lot of money. What I don't know is what that was as a percentage of the total foodservice budget.

Edit: I found an article.

Union: Rising costs built into $1.2 billion Marine Corps food contract -- GovExec.com

$1.2 BILLION bucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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