The front end view looks like a hodge-poge of competing design students cues all tossed together

Gah, tell me about it. New Camaro comes to mind...

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2006 BMW M5 "Heidi" @ 109,000 miles
2005 MBZ C55 AMG "Lorelai" @ 165,000 miles
1991 MBZ 300E "Benzachino II" @ 165,000 miles
1990 MBZ 500SL "Shoshanna" @ 118,000 miles

(On the hunt for a good used M103 engine as of 6/10/23, PM me if you have one to sell!)

I was very impressed with the velociter, I just couldn't live with the lack of power. Even if my GTI had 100 less HP I would still have bought it over the Hyudnai though. Hyundais have never got my blood pumping.

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1985 500SL Euro w/ AMG bits 130k
1984 300SD Turbodiesel 192k
1980 240D Stick China 188k
2001 CLK55 AMG 101k
2007 S600 Biturbo 149k Overheated Project, IT'S ALIVE!!!

The site says the design is inspired by motorcycle styling....

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Current:
2014 VW Tiguan SEL 4Motion 43,000 miles.

2016 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport (wife's).

Past:
2006 Jetta TDI 135,970 miles. Sold Nov. '13.
1995 E-320 Special Edition. 220,200 miles. Sold Sept. '07.
1987 190-E 16 valve. 153,000 miles. Sold Feb. '06.
1980 300-D 225,000 miles. Donated to the National Kidney Foundation.
1980 240-D manual, 297,500 miles. Totaled by inattentive driver.

Personally, I think that all passenger cars with less than 8 seats should be legally limited to 150 hp. Why? So automakers would start trimming the freakin' weight -- it's inexcusable that many "economy" sedans are now in the 3000-4000 lb weight range.

How is it inexcusable? Do you have any idea why sedans weigh so much nowadays or was this a knee jerk?

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TC
Current stable:
- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth

Because the nancie-boys and frou-frou bints that buy them are so concerned about NVH (zOMG, can't even have a bit of road noise!), safety (as if the world isn't overpopulated enough), and are too f***ing obese to move their own seats, so they need 13-way power electric chairs.

Plus the horsepower wars are a vicious cycle. Need more HP to push all that pigfat around. So you need heavier halfshafts, beefier transmission, bigger brakes, stronger suspension to handle that torque. More pigfat. More HP.

Colin Chapman should rise up out of his grave and club the designers of modern cars in the nose. As well as the average car buyer.

As for government regulations, hopefully this will become a moot point when Washington spends themselves into bankruptcy and won't have money to regulate anything other than their own urine flow.

Limit to 150 hp. Raise gas prices to $10/gal. Let everything follow from there

PS - next new car will be either an FT-86 or FIAT 500.

The FT-86 is remarkable in its light weight, I'd love to see the engineering behind it. Aside from that I'll keep my 5 star crash safety and direct injection (good mileage and hp) as a trade off. I don't mind as long as the cars don't feel heavy. My old Dodge Stealth was remarkably fast for its size (about 3500lbs) and a lot of fun to drive. Unfortunately you felt the weight in hard corners where you would want to push it. Trade off was that the thing was built like an absolute tank and saved me from more serious injury in a bad accident. Other guy wasn't so lucky. Having seen both sides of the coin, I'll gladly take my safety and well being. Some cars blend the two well, notably the GTI, Mazdaspeed 3, and presumably the BRZ/FR-S.

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TC
Current stable:
- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth

Yes! I hate all the stupid stuff they put in modern cars.

Then you end up with some barge that has 400+ horsepower and still gets beaten around a track by a sub-200 horsepower Lotus.

Well said.

Consider the effects of the .gov going flat broke. If it happens it won't be pretty. I do wish they'd allow manufacturers to build light and simple cars.

Sorry, still a believer in the free market. I can't support horsepower restrictions.

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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

we test drove a Hyundai when we were looking, they bragged about the front seats but we always have a passenger or two, the rear seats were a little over and inch thick and might has well been a lawn chair. the doors were tinny and lacked any semblance of a quality feel.

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