Should cops chase cars?
 

In this day and age with infrared cameras, heat sensing devices, and helicopters, do you think cops should engage in high speed pursuits? I was just watching cops (HBTV we call it, for hillybilly TV) and this guy in a van who is running from the cops T-Bones a Honda. No one was killed, but I'm sure people have been hurt by high speed pursuits. What do you think?

Kuan

Well, I figure the cops could track them by helicopter and when they run out of gas jump them!

Kuan

An alternative?
 

What about a device that is part of the engine computer control system, that when queried by a police signal ( say, from a Helicopter ) responds with a signal of a unique nature, that can then be searched for and matched up with a [override]code, that can then be used to cripple the vehicle..ie put it into a severe limp mode...(So severe that an 80 year old lady in a Pacer could catch them) After the recovery of the vehicle the controls can be returned to normal operating parameters.

Just a thought that came to me..it may be riddled with holes.

-Larry

There is too much risk for such a technology to fall into the wrong hands. The next terrorist attack can be some signal that cripples all cars within a few km, Like an EMP bomb, not worth the risk.

I feel that anyone who runs from the police should be charged with attempted murder and get the full sentance.

You know, those smart bombs are getting pretty smart:rolleyes:

Tough question Kuan, tougher answers.

Air support is great, IF you can get it. The choppers aren't always available. The microwave ignition cookers (yes they have them) are too good, they cook every car within the "cone" - permanently (not quite practical...yet). When they cook a car, it doesn't just slow down it's dead (no word yet on what happens to the bad guy with a pacemaker). Mandatory GPS...a bit too Big Brother for me, plus how are you gonna know which of the speeding cars is the one you want to watch???

The Swedes (I think) have been working on a little rocket cart, which carries something like an EMP, which will fry the suspect car, only problem is you still have to have that pursuit to get in a position to deploy it. There is also a system where the pursuit vehicle launches something like a harpoon, then use the pursiut vehicle to slow the pursued - same draw back plus what if you missed???

No one wants to see an innocent motorist/bystander hurt because of the actions of the fleeing driver - especially the guys/gals involved in the pursuit. Sometimes it happens, I can make no apologies, but can tell you I know for a fact that just because the pursuing vehicle may back off doesn't mean the bad guys will - in fact they will continue in the reckless manner for many miles after the pursuit is terminated.

Radios, additional units and spike strips all work great if you can have them in the right spot at the right time. Much harder said than done. When these things go to hell in a handbasket, it happens in a blink.

There are towns with "no pursuit" policies - meaning no pursuits. Guess what has happened to their crime rates. Think those citizens are any safer for it? Others have fairly restrictive policies, wherein pursuits are very limited. Guess what happens there - the pursued simply violate some traffic code, the pursuers have to terminate and the bad guys keep driving like idiots. Eventually, even without a pursuit in progress you have the type of accident initially described.

I could go on for pages, but feel my soap box straining under my weight. Time to give it a rest.

Last note...hopefully the driver was charged with two counts of murder, along with the theft of the smokes cited in Bill's post.

The only problemw ith some kind of control to killt he engine or such, is that what happens if it malfunctions on a freeway at high speed and next thing you know there is a 20 car pileup and several people dead.

That is why you cannot have sucha measure.

But a mandatory vehicle GPS tracking system could be put in place and used to track vehicles so that cops would not have to chase them.

It would see that the chasee will dirve more erratically and cause more damage knowing he is being chased, rather than thinking he is scott free, and getting busted ina clear area or when the chasee reaches their destination the police are there moments later, having been able to keep out of site and not alarm the chasee.

There are many ways you can go about this.

My personal view is that cops should chase only if safe to do so, otherwise, just call out the choppers and let them track from the air.

Alon

Jim T,

Right on! They should be charged with attempted murder and anything else that the law enforcement agency involved can think of. If they find a tail light bulb burned out, add that to the charge.

Mike,

Thanks for your insight. I have always believed that if the threat of being chased down and thrown in the hoose-gow does not exist, crime rates will go out of sight.

Everyone,

Don't let any liberal goof ball try to stop chases. You are just asking for higher crime rates. Chase 'em down and put them UNDER the jail house. There will always be a few mistakes by police officers in chases, they are human beings, but by and large they are properly trained and properly motivated professionals doing a tough job that most of us are unwilling or unable to do.

Have a great day,

Mike, thanks for the insights. Sitting on my couch, things look a lot simpler than they really are. I did not know that it was that helicopter support was not available all the time, nor did I know that there already is a "car zapper" available.

Kuan

I think hot pursuit by our police is all a part of the "tough guy" image that so many police departments seem to actively promote. By that I mean, the big, weight lifting guys with tight shirts, bulging upper arms and shaved heads. And then when they pull you over the need to project their toughness by being rude. And I think the whole chase thing harkens back to our frontier roots when the sherrif called together his posse to run down the outlaw.
In Europe, on the other hand, things strike me as very different. The cops tend to look and conduct themselves much more professionally. And for the times when a fugitive is on the run, they've successfully demonstrated that they won't be able to outrun a radio, or elude a combination roadblocks and nail strips laid across the road.
But what the heck...it's certainly not as exciting as a good chase where wou might run over a bunch of innocent people and end up crashed in a store window or somebody's living room.

A problem with having heavy charges against runners is that many times those charges are less than what they already face if they are cought, partially cause of CA's three strikes law.

I do not believe we should stop chasing bad guys. If we do, what kind of message does this send to them?

I am also not in favor of GPS tracking on cars. As stated before, there is the possibility of this technology falling into the wrong hands. Also, although I will never run from a cop or ever have any reason to, I do not like the idea that the government can know where I am at any given time of day. This starts to become an infringement on people's privacy.

Hmmmmm! If they can only make a criminal sensing car. :confused: :eek: :p

I watched on TV a new technology for police car which looks like a hand-held radar but emits ultra highfrequency that causes electronic mayhem in a car when aimed at. This is for high chase pursuits and where the targetted car just stalls with all its electronics gone to the dogs.

I have to admit this is the first time I've participated in a "cop" thread 'cause too often the discussion goes the way of KPG's reasoning. :( However, as one of those "less professional" North American cops, I really do appreciate the thoughtfulness of the other contributions to the discussion.

The helicopter as an answer to police chases is playing out in my city right now. Helicopters are very expensive and civic governments have so far refused to finance them. Police in the two major cities in Alberta have raised money through lotteries and donations to lease and operate their helicopters. In my city we have to pay full-time fundraisers to keep the thing flying.

On the up-side, our policy on chases was radically changed once we had the 'copter. When it has the "eye", the chase cars shut down and parallel at legal speeds. When the goofs dump and run (or crash and burn), the cars are guided right to them.

On the down-side, the officers required to staff a flying unit are taken from the ranks of those who would otherwise drive the cars and answer the complaints from taxpayers. Helicopters don't investigate crimes or write-up traffic accidents. Having the thing has meant more work for those left on the ground. Add to that the complaints about noise and bright lights. :rolleyes:

Overall though, I'm in favor of the thing as long as the money keeps coming in to support it!

Thanks for the back-up LT.

In my case, air support is approximately 60-65 air miles out. Even if I could get them to respond, most chases would be long over. And when they did arrive, they'd only have a short period of on-site time before the need to fuel. Once and a while we get an assist from the County, but their bird is down more often than operational.

KPG,

I don't know what police officers you might be seeing or dealing with, but I've yet to see or talk to one that fits your description.

I am not proud to say that I have dealt with MANY police officers due to my number of years driving and number of miles driven, coupled with my driving style which does not always please the local gendarme. I also have known personally a number of police officers.

I have never been stopped by a police officer who was anything less than courteous. Not always overly friendly, but courteous. Most of them have been quite friendly. If you treat anyone with courtesy and respect it will almost always be returned to you.

Police officers are human beings. Human beings make mistakes and are of various sizes, shapes and demeanor. Police officers are typically a cut above the average "A.J. Squared Away" that is walking down the street. They are most often underpaid and could succeed in other more lucrative careers, but they go out every day and risk their lives so that you and I can, if we behave, live a safer life.

I hope I don't embarrass Mike Tangas, but I will use him as an example. I have had the pleasure of meeting Mike twice. He appears to be in great condition, but he doesn't have an Arnold Scwharzenegar body (sorry Mike) like you describe police officers, and believe it or not he didn't have a donut in his hand either time. He is a good solid person and is dedicated to his family, his job and to doing his part in seeing that you and I live in a safer country. I know/have known a number of other police officers and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM fit the description of Mike that I just gave. None of them portray themselves as a tough guy, although I don't think I would want to tangle with a single one of them.

I have dealt with police officers in Europe as well, and yes every one of them have been professional and courteous, but no more so than ANY US police officer I've ever dealt with or met personally.

The chase is not done so that someone can show the're tough. It's dangerous, but they do it because it's their job. It is very sad and unfortunate to see innocent people killed or hurt as a result of a police chase. But, if these idiots are NOT chased, there will be many more people killed and hurt by these idiots as the crime rate gets out of control.

Rather than making statements such as you did about police officers, if you ever meet one you should THANK THEM for the work they do so that you can live in a safer country.

Have a great day,

Just an idea...
 

I would suggest a GPS tracking device encased in a "sticky ball" that could be deployed from the pursuit vehicle, using the bean bag gun approach. Pursuit could then be more leisurely while more units could be directed to cut off the offending vehicle. The advantage would be no "civil liberties issues",no "big brother issues",and lower cost compared to helicopter opperations.

Rackne,

You're a genius! I like it. I wonder how much beuracracy we'll have to go to get the agencies to buy into it?

Have a great day,

If cops didn't chase cars, Mistress wouldn't have anything interesting to watch on TV every Saturday night.

Bad boys, bad boys, whacha gonna do, bad boys, . . . .

I was reading Blink the other day, and one guy who reviews police actions (whether they were appropriate, etc.) believes that cops shouldn't engage in high speed chases because of the effect it has on them. Basically the anger/stress/adrenaline leads to more aggressive actions by the cops when they do catch the suspect.


Eye in the sky strategy would be more appealing to me than GPS locators, but naturally, someone's gotta pay for it. Maybe they can work something out with the media:P.

It depends entirely on the road conditions, traffic, speed, and type of vehicle they want to chase. In other words, take for instance the state of Ct. It's a state law, in Ct. it's illegal for the cops to chase a Motorcycle anywhere. If a bike flies past them, they are not allowed to even chase them for risk of freaking out the operator, into doing something really stupid, and killing themselves or something.

Same rules apply to certain cars, speeds, and conditions, in Ct. If a car flies by at 170 mph, if they don't pull right over when the cops pull out with lights on, they just use the radio to get the job done. If you can get by without them catching a make or model, your in the clear, and home free. I know this rule also applies in a few other states.

James Bond solution: "Just a Drop in the Ocean"
 

Anyone remember the James Bond movie "You Only Live Twice" (1967)?

James Bond is being pursued in his car by a bunch of Japanese hitmen driving an old black Toyota Crown and all of a sudden a CH47 Helicopter hovers over their car, and plucks it off the road with a giant electromagnet dangled from the helicopter - and then the helicopter flies out over Tokyo Bay and dumps it into the ocean, and Bond remarks "Just a drop in the Ocean"

That solution would work REALLY great, to terminate any car chase - with extreme prejudice, and no collateral damage, I always thought:grim::D

I do believe this is controlled by some kind of sighting via the helmet to make it very accurate. Fit right on the front of one of those new Dodge Chargers..........Ya never know, with this policy in affect, publicized widely,there might be not so many car chases...or not.:eek:

I think high speed chases are to be avoided if it is reasonable to do so.

Most of the cops I have had contact are as many noted polite and fairly fair minded.

I have had a few over the years that were a bit over the top and once had one write me a totally bogus ticket which I got his seargent to talk to him about and he made it disappear. (the officer who wrote it made it disappear). That was strange, and I bet that man is no longer an officer.

Tom W

The DC cops seem to enjoy high-speed pursuits. Enery now and then I hear about some horrific crash one of them caused as a result. I try to keep my trips into the District short, sweet, and far between.

I read that the FBI already has something like that, and that they only use it for very special occaisions. I think it uses some kind of high frequency radio signals to confuse the igntion system. I'm dating myself here, but I know that early Harley-Davidson electronic ignitions would quit when you went by the airport, they were that sensitive to the communication signals. Most people went back to points and threw the AMF garbage in the trash.

I got nailed last night for wreckless driving because I was sitting at a light spinning my tires, in downtown Hillsborough, Nc. after leaving the bar. I was slightly buzzed, from a few drinks, and had a huge "Rambo" knife sitting out in plain sight on the passenger floor. When writing the ticket, and looking me over, the moron cop, failed to notice that my insurance is expired, the knife on the floor, my cracked windshield, and my very obvious buzz. He couldn't even figure out what my Ct. registration was when I handed it to him. He did end up writing me a wreckless driving ticket in the end though. He threatened to haul me off to jail, but I think my commercial drivers license saved my @$$. I suppose I was very very lucky, yet again...Really been pushing the envelope lately though. This 560 SEC, is a bad influence to me and will eventually probably cost me my license. OH WELL, Guess I'll be driving without a license all together once that happens. Won't be the first time...LOL!

^^^

yeah, f the man

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I enjoy watching them on TV, they do provide excellent entertainment.

My dad who was in the insurance game for many years said that cop cars get wrecked on a very regular basis.

I respect anyone who will do the job but I don't put them on a pedistal. They are just regular people who happen to be equipped with lethal weapons... so when I get pulled over I say yes sir and no sir and offer nothing to rile them. For the time you are sitting there they are judge and jury and the whole deal including executioner if they happen to be inclined that way.

A very small percentage (probably about like the general population as a percentage) have serious mental or other problems which could render them dangerous under the right circumstances.

But most are very very good. In Indiana the best outfit is the Indiana State Police. They are the best trained and best paid. It oddly was a ISP trooper that wrote me the bogus ticket though.

When I was a youngster I delivered the newspaper to a ISP trooper and his family. He was a very nice friendly fellow who said that he had his 62 chebby up over 120 mph about every night chasing down some speeder. He seemed to enjoy them.....'course there was a lot less traffic back then. He and his young wife had a little boy die from Mennengitis IIRC.....that was really a sad deal.

Tom W

And how do you install this on every vehicle? We cannot force people to get inspections on their cars or have insurance, who will be the GPS police? And better, who will pay for it? And how do you keep people from disabling it? And how do you know which car is the one you want?

And how many police departments have helicopters and how many crimes occur at the same time that would require one?

Your solution is no solution.

Well,I just don't know...If a cop ran after my 300D he would surely get exhausted.

There's no good solution and every time they just pull over and give up there's a time where the people speed off and plow into a bunch of school kids waiting on a bench at the bus stop and it's tragic.

I believe the solution lies in modifying the behavior of someoene/anyone who is going to run from the police. Make the penalty so severe that nobody will do it.

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NO

I do not want a police officer putting my life in danger to catch a criminal.

We can have rovers running around on the planet Mars,
And we can figure out a way to catch a speeding criminal
that does not endanger our lives.

.

Hey, maybe we'll all get to see you on the Fall premier of "Cops.":D

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A few years back, WI. got rid of its "Eye In The Sky" force 'cause of budget issues. IINM, I believe it's still the case.

But, next door in MN., on a roadway I frequent quite a bit, you folks might recall a particular motorcyclist that got nailed for over 170mph (I can't remember the exact MPH reading they nailed him on...) due to the "EITS" airplane that managed to track him (w/some help on the ground, of course...) down AT HIS HOME AFTER they "broke off pursuit" due to the nature of his offense.

Cooler heads prevailed...at least the dipchit cyclist had a helmet on when he was "screaming" down the road. His excuse? Who cares? His punishment? I can't remember, but I do remember thinking that it didn't seem to be severe enough when you considered that fact that there was an airplane, countless troopers and the high-speed nature of offense as it was occuring. If that idiot had dumped the bike at the apex of his hijinks, he'd have looked like a badly mashed burrito (sp?) on a sidewalk on a Saturday night. (I would have hated to have been on the "meat-wagon" duty for that particular run.) :eek: :(

Now, as to whether the pursuits are warranted...each situation has its own merits...

First: Does the offender/suspect/idiot (OSI) even stop for the officer when the lights first go on?

Second: Assuming that the OSI does stop, something prompts the OSI to take off - He couldn't handle the aftershave lotion smell the officer had on - the officer was a lady-cop and the OSI has issues w/his mother - who knows what goes on inside the mind of the OSI?

Third: Was the OSI wanted for other crimes? Is he still "tearing up the streets" in the area? Is he "America's Most Wanted?" Some decisions have to be made in a matter of seconds - then the cooler heads are brought in later to sort it out...

Fourth: And I think this is the really grey area of all decisions: Will the chase, and eventual apprehension of this OSI, result in a safer community AND can the officer get it done without anyone getting hurt in the process, including Mr. OSI?

I personally believe that ANYONE that runs from a LEO, when apprehended, regardless the excuse or circumstance, spends, minimum, one year in Sheriff Apio's tent city in New Mexico/Arizona (location?) eating green bologna and wearing pink under/outerwear. And that's just for the running part. Then, when they get back to civilization, then try them for the original charge of whatever caused them to run in the first place...burnt out license plate lamp, tires too low on air pressure, being too ugly to be seen driving in public, whatever...

And, if a BHL (bleeding-heart liberal) thinks that the "punishment" is too harsh for the crime, make the BHL "hire" the OSI for his own personal driver for the next year.

Maybe, then, the BHL will come down from his fairy-dusted dream-castle and walk amoung the masses. :dizzy2:

But I doubt it... :rolleyes:

I always think of the adage, "You can't outrun a radio." Maybe in some cases you CAN outrun a radio. Otherwise, why would the police get into these chases? If the perp is going to run, he's just going to run faster the faster they chase him.

I'm trying to imagine somebody going 170 on a motorcycle. He should have been commited to a mental institution for going that fast on a public road.

The "funny" part? The area where this "occurred" isn't really all that smooth...and apparently, the way they figured out his speed was by using those "white strips" of paint that they have spaced out every few hundred yards or so - they timed him between the strips and did the math - I would have loved being able to hear the conversation between the plane and ground units on that run...they even mentioned that he was going faster than the airplane itself, but they had managed to get his plate earlier before things got too far out of hand and were able to track him to his home...

Now...that's stupid.

Not likely, it would make for a very short clip. I never even moved the car, during the whole thing. I was sitting at the light and the cop came up from in front of me from the opposite direction, up to my driver's door. there was no chase at all. three of them just simply boxxed me in at the light, it happened so quickly that as the smoke cleared, and I was able to see again, all I saw was cop cars, and flashing lights all around me. I swear they must watch the bar, for obvious drunks to pull over as they depart from the place. Unfamiliar territory, everyone on the sidewalk was just laughing at the scene, and telling me I was surely going to jail. (I thought I was too.) I was a bit nervous, but laughed at the people on the sidewalk in front of the bar, as I drove away, and the cops went over to talk with them. I guess he lectured them about instigating people or something, I can't be sure though. The owner was outside, and in the crowd. I'm probably banned fron his bar, now that I attracted attention to his place needlessly. That's ok, there are a few more in the area, and i have a lot of exploration to do in all of the neighboring towns. By the time I ever get back to that place, it will be long forgotten about I'm sure. Just another bar I'm banned from. I very rarely ever even consume alcohol, suff like this has happened before when I go out alone. seems I behave myself better when I go out with someone else. Just a little burn-out, tire spinning Brake stand. No harm, why are people such cry babies about everything. What could possibly have happened? I mean, ok, so my brakes could have let go...big deal, the light was green, and I had a clear path, and I would have just driven across the intersection at normal speed. Speedometer only wet up to 25, so I would have still been well below the legal speed limit if my brakes had let go...
Orange county North Carolina cops are a bunch of little girls, and fags if they can't take a joke, especially since they're some of the worst drivers on the road, aside from mail carriers, and school bus drivers.

Not likely, it would make for a very short clip. I never even moved the car, during the whole thing. I was sitting at the light and the cop came up from in front of me from the opposite direction, up to my driver's door. there was no chase at all. three of them just simply boxxed me in at the light, it happened so quickly that as the smoke cleared, and I was able to see again, all I saw was cop cars, and flashing lights all around me. I swear they must watch the bar, for obvious drunks to pull over as they depart from the place. Unfamiliar territory, everyone on the sidewalk was just laughing at the scene, and telling me I was surely going to jail. (I thought I was too.) I was a bit nervous, but laughed at the people on the sidewalk in front of the bar, as I drove away, and the cops went over to talk with them. I guess he lectured them about instigating people or something, I can't be sure though. The owner was outside, and in the crowd. I'm probably banned fron his bar, now that I attracted attention to his place needlessly. That's ok, there are a few more in the area, and i have a lot of exploration to do in all of the neighboring towns. By the time I ever get back to that place, it will be long forgotten about I'm sure. Just another bar I'm banned from. I very rarely ever even consume alcohol, suff like this has happened before when I go out alone. seems I behave myself better when I go out with someone else. Just a little burn-out, tire spinning Brake stand. No harm, why are people such cry babies about everything. What could possibly have happened? I mean, ok, so my brakes could have let go...big deal, the light was green, and I had a clear path, and I would have just driven across the intersection at normal speed. Speedometer only wet up to 25, so I would have still been well below the legal speed limit if my brakes had let go...
Orange county North Carolina cops are a bunch of little girls, and fags if they can't take a joke, especially since they're some of the worst drivers on the road, aside from mail carriers, and school bus drivers.

Not likely, it would make for a very short clip. I never even moved the car, during the whole thing. I was sitting at the light and the cop came up from in front of me from the opposite direction, up to my driver's door. there was no chase at all. three of them just simply boxxed me in at the light, it happened so quickly that as the smoke cleared, and I was able to see again, all I saw was cop cars, and flashing lights all around me. I swear they must watch the bar, for obvious drunks to pull over as they depart from the place. Unfamiliar territory, everyone on the sidewalk was just laughing at the scene, and telling me I was surely going to jail. (I thought I was too.) I was a bit nervous, but laughed at the people on the sidewalk in front of the bar, as I drove away, and the cops went over to talk with them. I guess he lectured them about instigating people or something, I can't be sure though. The owner was outside, and in the crowd. I'm probably banned fron his bar, now that I attracted attention to his place needlessly. That's ok, there are a few more in the area, and i have a lot of exploration to do in all of the neighboring towns. By the time I ever get back to that place, it will be long forgotten about I'm sure. Just another bar I'm banned from. I very rarely ever even consume alcohol, suff like this has happened before when I go out alone. seems I behave myself better when I go out with someone else. Just a little burn-out, tire spinning Brake stand. No harm, why are people such cry babies about everything. What could possibly have happened? I mean, ok, so my brakes could have let go...big deal, the light was green, and I had a clear path, and I would have just driven across the intersection at normal speed. Speedometer only wet up to 25, so I would have still been well below the legal speed limit if my brakes had let go...
Orange county North Carolina cops are a bunch of little girls, and fags if they can't take a joke, especially since they're some of the worst drivers on the road, aside from mail carriers, and school bus drivers.

Not likely, it would make for a very short clip. I never even moved the car, during the whole thing. I was sitting at the light and the cop came up from in front of me from the opposite direction, up to my driver's door. there was no chase at all. three of them just simply boxxed me in at the light, it happened so quickly that as the smoke cleared, and I was able to see again, all I saw was cop cars, and flashing lights all around me. I swear they must watch the bar, for obvious drunks to pull over as they depart from the place. Unfamiliar territory, everyone on the sidewalk was just laughing at the scene, and telling me I was surely going to jail. (I thought I was too.) I was a bit nervous, but laughed at the people on the sidewalk in front of the bar, as I drove away, and the cops went over to talk with them. I guess he lectured them about instigating people or something, I can't be sure though. The owner was outside, and in the crowd. I'm probably banned fron his bar, now that I attracted attention to his place needlessly. That's ok, there are a few more in the area, and i have a lot of exploration to do in all of the neighboring towns. By the time I ever get back to that place, it will be long forgotten about I'm sure. Just another bar I'm banned from. I very rarely ever even consume alcohol, suff like this has happened before when I go out alone. seems I behave myself better when I go out with someone else. Just a little burn-out, tire spinning Brake stand. No harm, why are people such cry babies about everything. What could possibly have happened? I mean, ok, so my brakes could have let go...big deal, the light was green, and I had a clear path, and I would have just driven across the intersection at normal speed. Speedometer only wet up to 25, so I would have still been well below the legal speed limit if my brakes had let go...
Orange county North Carolina cops are a bunch of little girls, and fags if they can't take a joke, especially since they're some of the worst drivers on the road, aside from mail carriers, and school bus drivers.:laugh3:

Not likely, it would make for a very short clip. I never even moved the car, during the whole thing. I was sitting at the light and the cop came up from in front of me from the opposite direction, up to my driver's door. there was no chase at all. three of them just simply boxxed me in at the light, it happened so quickly that as the smoke cleared, and I was able to see again, all I saw was cop cars, and flashing lights all around me. I swear they must watch the bar, for obvious drunks to pull over as they depart from the place. Unfamiliar territory, everyone on the sidewalk was just laughing at the scene, and telling me I was surely going to jail. (I thought I was too.) I was a bit nervous, but laughed at the people on the sidewalk in front of the bar, as I drove away, and the cops went over to talk with them. I guess he lectured them about instigating people or something, I can't be sure though. The owner was outside, and in the crowd. I'm probably banned fron his bar, now that I attracted attention to his place needlessly. That's ok, there are a few more in the area, and i have a lot of exploration to do in all of the neighboring towns. By the time I ever get back to that place, it will be long forgotten about I'm sure. Just another bar I'm banned from. I very rarely ever even consume alcohol, suff like this has happened before when I go out alone. seems I behave myself better when I go out with someone else. Just a little burn-out, tire spinning Brake stand. No harm, why are people such cry babies about everything. What could possibly have happened? I mean, ok, so my brakes could have let go...big deal, the light was green, and I had a clear path, and I would have just driven across the intersection at normal speed. Speedometer only wet up to 25, so I would have still been well below the legal speed limit if my brakes had let go...
Orange county North Carolina cops are a bunch of little girls, and fags if they can't take a joke, especially since they're some of the worst drivers on the road, aside from mail carriers, and school bus drivers.:laugh3:

:freak:

in our district police cant actually chase a suspect unless if they have committed a felony, or cant be IDed by their tags, and of course grand theft is a felony.

Are these the same honest, brave, friendly, educated, respectable police officers 9 of whom took a guy to Cherry beach in Toronto, beat the living crap out of him (9 against 1 mind you) and when the whole thing came out, they destroyed and falsified evidence, lied in court and ultimately cost $750,000 to the taxpayers, because the police budget (that is where they payed guy from ) of course comes from (my)taxes.

Not my assertion, the presiding judge said so.

Beat cops are borderline psychopaths, no man (and especially woman) in the right frame of mind chooses a profession where his sole mission in life is to control, and if need be, kill other people. The only people worse than cops are professional soldiers and jail guards (excuse me, correctional officers).
We need them but its like a junkyard dog, you have to have it but it doesn't mean you like it.

Educated? Please, grade 12 education and 2 years police college, wow, Einsteins there are.
Underpaid?
Toronto Police Service base salary

Cadet in training $45,042.34
4th Class Constable $50,057.71
3rd Class Constable $57,211.20
2nd Class Constable $64,364.69
1st Class Constable $71.522.91

Compensation & Benefits

* Family health plan
* Dental plan
* Life insurance
* Access to employee credit union
* Pension plan (OMERS)
* Paid vacation
* Education reimbursement
* Employee and Family assistance program

Not bad for a 20 year old guy who can retire after 25 years of service.

Alex

They don't sound too dumb when you take that into consideration, do they?