Originally Posted by layback40

Green energy is just a case of the baby that cries the loudest gets the most attention.
Finally its being sent to its room & told not to come out until it has something positive to offer.
Green energy is just driven by handouts, take them away & it doesnt stand up.
Over on this side of the pond we have had subsidies for solar hot water for years, the price follows the level of subsidy. Same goes for wind turbines. Hydro works well until you have a drought.

I expect to get flamed by many who dont know any more than what they read in the media but they are very eloquent at presenting their argument.
To those I say, go study thermodynamics for a couple of years at least & then see what you think.

Originally Posted by Crazy_Nate

Odd, don't we subsidize oil?

People argue about making the playing field level and watching renewables fail, well, fine. Level the playing field. Eventually prices will dictate which is more appropriate.

I wouldn't bark about thermodynamics. It also tells me how inefficient ICE is.

Sure, they do have a large up front cost - just price out a 10kW solar array if you're curious. With proper application, the payback period is not unrealistic.

With any sort of mismatch between supply and demand you'll need this thing called storage...unheard of in some corners of the world