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MS Fowler 05-01-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus (Post 2929794)
Amen to that. The rate at which we imprison black males would embarrass Stalin. It is fricking insane.
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Uncle Joe wouldn't have housed that many prisoners; it was too expensive. He'd just have them all shot.

Hopefully we are a bit better than that.

spdrun 05-01-2012 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2929855)
Uncle Joe wouldn't have housed that many prisoners; it was too expensive. He'd just have them all shot.

Hopefully we are a bit better than that.

Actually, the USSR didn't have the death penalty for a long time under Stalin. People were just sent to concentration camps to be worked to death or shot while trying to escape.

MS Fowler 05-01-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 2929864)
Actually, the USSR didn't have the death penalty for a long time under Stalin. People were just sent to concentration camps to be worked to death or shot while trying to escape.

A distinction without a difference--at least to the one shot.

strelnik 05-02-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 2929797)
In some areas (not all of the US), this may be the case. Walk a mile in another man's shoes...

Gents,

Be advised that the courts have upheld the fact that during an interrogation, police may use psychological intimidation, sarcasm, lying and trickery to get information from any DETAINEE, whether they have been charged with something or not.

The same is true with the US DoD Rules of Engagement and the Geneva Convention of 1949.

So, this means the police may lie at will with no impact on the case, if it serves their ends.

You only need identify yourself by producing ID documents. That is a requirement. Anything else is voluntary.

If the cop decides to intimidate you, say nothing and look at him. If he is friendly, be friendly but limit data.

" I don't know" is an acceptable answer until your lawyer gets there. Silence and "I want my lawyer" is better.

I say this because I see too many municipalities doing things to collect money, not for public safety.

I have seen a Virginia county/municipality (?) that decided to lower the DUI blood count from 0.08 to 0.01!

Since it wasn't a "dry" county and they didn't advertise it, it didn't make the news.

Until suddenly a whole bunch of people who had half a beer got stopped at a "routine" traffic checkpoint and were charged with DUI.

They made the fatal mistake of charging some senior Administration Officials who are part of a program which requires reporting oif such things.

Needless to say, the White House called the Governor, the Governor called the county...well, you get the idea. $hit rolls downhill.

I know this to be a fact because I sat in one one of the hearings about a year ago.

This is trolling for cash, not justice. It needs to be called what it is.

Then the entire country needs to boycott this area until the the people who set this up are fired or removed from office.

disley 05-02-2012 08:42 AM

If they ask you how fast you were going always say whatever the speed limit is.
If you say you don't know, they will increase the speed you were actually travelling to the next highest fine level.

HuskyMan 05-02-2012 10:14 AM

one of the commentators on CourtTV recently made a statement I found interesting: "The police can lie to you in their quest for the truth".

How does that work?

Honus 05-02-2012 10:32 AM

I think the classic example of permissible police deception is where they put the suspects in separate rooms and tell each that the other has already ratted him out and that he better 'fess up if he knows what's good for him. That sort of lie is clearly permitted.

Txjake 05-02-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Honus (Post 2930288)
I think the classic example of permissible police deception is where they put the suspects in separate rooms and tell each that the other has already ratted him out and that he better 'fess up if he knows what's good for him. That sort of lie is clearly permitted.

Also, if the investigator comes in with a tape recorder and offers to turn it off for an "off the record" comment. There is still a recording device recording all conversations in the room. A subterfuge, if not an actual lie.

Asking the alleged perpetrator to write a "letter of apology" to the victim of the crime. It becomes a confession, written by the acused, and signed... another subterfuge

HuskyMan 05-02-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2930292)
Also, if the investigator comes in with a tape recorder and offers to turn it off for an "off the record" comment. There is still a recording device recording all conversations in the room. A subterfuge, if not an actual lie.

Asking the alleged perpetrator to write a "letter of apology" to the victim of the crime. It becomes a confession, written by the acused, and signed... another subterfuge

A friend of a friend was accused of a crime she did not commit. the situation arose over a nasty divorce (doesn't it always?) the cops wanted to take her to the police station for an interview. she thought she had nothing to hide, so why not? She didn't ask for a lawyer nor even take a friend as a witness, after all, she's got nothing to hide, right? During the interrogation the police refused to allow her to take her medication or go to the restroom for over EIGHT HOURS. They finally let her go but only after working her butt over good......

spdrun 05-02-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 2930308)
A friend of a friend was accused of a crime she did not commit. the situation arose over a nasty divorce (doesn't it always? the cops wanted to take her to the police station for an interview. she thought she had nothing to hide, so why not? She didn't ask for a lawyer nor even take a friend as a witness, after all, she's got nothing to hide, right? During the interrogation the police refused to allow her to take her medication or go to the restroom for over EIGHT HOURS. They finally let her go but only after working her butt over good......

Sounds like she should have p!ssed on the pigs' feet. On second thought, nah. They'd have enjoyed it too much.

Can't Know 05-02-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 2929864)
Actually, the USSR didn't have the death penalty for a long time under Stalin. People were just sent to concentration camps to be worked to death or shot while trying to escape.

Or shot for not working hard enough, and buried where they fell, sometimes becoming part of their task:

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Forced labour was used to construct every inch of this incredible project – at first by inmates of labour camps, but later by the unfortunate denizens of the gulags that began springing up all over these near-uninhabitable provinces of Stalin’s Soviet empire. Many were Russian POW’s, banished to the region after being labelled German ‘collaborators’. Many were Russian Christians who refused to renounce their faith under the Communist regime.

Prisoners were chained except when they were working their twelve-hour shifts. Many died during transport alone, and thousands were shot by the officers for not working hard enough. And any worker who died during construction of the road was ‘buried’ where he fell – survivors’ reports indicate that bodies were as common a sight as fallen logs.
A bit more information and a few pictures here: Stalin's Road of Bones

Txjake 05-02-2012 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 2930308)
A friend of a friend was accused of a crime she did not commit. the situation arose over a nasty divorce (doesn't it always?) the cops wanted to take her to the police station for an interview. she thought she had nothing to hide, so why not? She didn't ask for a lawyer nor even take a friend as a witness, after all, she's got nothing to hide, right? During the interrogation the police refused to allow her to take her medication or go to the restroom for over EIGHT HOURS. They finally let her go but only after working her butt over good......

I would have stood up and pissed right where I was....:)

HuskyMan 05-02-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2930341)
I would have stood up and pissed right where I was....:)

it's a classic case of naivete; when she volunteered to go to the police headquarters to 'clear the matter up', she didn't have any idea what she was stepping into. hopefully, she now has a more clear picture of how the 'justice system' works.


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