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Old 04-05-2012, 11:44 AM
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Very true, I saw a comparison between several OE rear wings. All of them increased the coefficient of drag and only the enormous Porsche "whale tail" created any appreciable downforce. The rest were cosmetic and only served to make the car slower.
you talking about wings or spoilers???

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Mercedes seemed to have a thing with spoilers

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... a spoiler has no air passage between it's leading edge and the body of the car...
a wing does...
all the above pics are wings...
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... a spoiler has no air passage between it's leading edge and the body of the car...
a wing does...
all the above pics are wings...
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:52 PM
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... a spoiler has no air passage between it's leading edge and the body of the car...
a wing does...
all the above pics are wings...
The difference as I have always understood it was in the results not the aesthetic...

Spoilers vs. Wings
Spoilers are often confused with wings. Both are used on many performance cars and operate under the same principles. Spoilers, however, work by altering the flow of air over the body of the car, reducing the lift generated by the vehicle as air passes over it, whereas wings are primarily designed to generate down force and do not have a significant effect on the generation of lift created by the body of the car. Spoilers are generally an integral part of the vehicle body and are small panels mounted very close to the body. Wings are generally much larger than spoilers and mounted on pedestals or brackets that place them well above the body of the vehicle where they can produce the most down force, free of air turbulence caused by the vehicle.
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As vstech mentioned, some spoilers are used to reduce drag as opposed to providing down force. I think that the whale tail on the Porsche 911 is a prime example. The way the regular 911 slopes in the rear causes the flow over the car to separate early, resulting in a large wake, which essentially sucks the car backwards. The whale tail delays the point of separation, reducing the drag on the car.

Or at least that's how I recall it from engineering school all those many years ago.
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You guys are great.

As it has been alluded to above, it's a trade off; to generate lift or downforce your engineering compromise is C_d (or even your frontal area, which also increases drag).

In most driving conditions you're not limited by traction (where downforce is necessary), hence, you're just stuck with the drag tradeoff and none of the benefits. Every aerodynamic device's performance is a function of Reynolds number...translating into performance being "optimum" at one relative velocity and not at another. Proper use is heavily dependent on application...nothing general purpose here.

But hey, glue all the wings you want onto the back of your pickup trucks. It's the visual statement that matters

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