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chilcutt 04-10-2012 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 2917440)
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - Epicurus



all matter is mearly energy condensed through a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, life is only a dream and we are the imaginations of ourselves. - Bill Hicks

If God is all-powerful, can he make a rock so big that he himself can't lift it? - George Carlin

The Bill Hicks thingy made me flash back to Alan Watts.

MS Fowler 04-10-2012 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 2917530)
Wherein lies the fallacy of Epicurus??

He confuses the concept of omnipotence.
Omnipotence simply refers to having the power to do whatever power can do. For instance, if I were to ask you how much electrical power it takes to make the sky blue, you'd correctly respond along the lines that the color of the sky is not a product of electricity.
I'd respond in a similar vein to Epicurus. Evil is not something that Power affects.

Epicurus also assumes that "good" is whatever he considers to be "good". In the real world what a child considers "good" may not be the same as what a responsible adult would consider "good". In the case of the Creator and creation, the difference is even greater.

Botnst 04-10-2012 01:43 PM

"42"

Carleton Hughes 04-10-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt (Post 2917835)
Resist the inner voices..

Meaning take your Thorazine and Lithium.

Txjake 04-10-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dkveuro (Post 2916942)
Granted, but only AFTER the fact. I wanna see one that predicts something in the future .

.........and then there's this: Welcome to cremationofcare.com - You are currently within the 'The Illuminati' section..


holy crap, that's some weird stuff.....:eek:

The Swede 04-10-2012 06:13 PM

I like what Robert Anton Wilson said about conspiracies.

Robert Anton Wilson on Conspiracy Theories - YouTube

MTI 04-10-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2918043)
Epicurus also assumes that "good" is whatever he considers to be "good". In the real world what a child considers "good" may not be the same as what a responsible adult would consider "good". In the case of the Creator and creation, the difference is even greater.


I have to say, none of that made any sense.

cmbdiesel 04-10-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2918237)
I have to say, none of that made any sense.

Well, it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is...

maybe it was just sophistry...

"How do I know the Bible isn't the word of God? Well if it was the word of God it would be clear and easy to understand...considering God was the creator of LANGUAGE!" - Bill Hicks.

MS Fowler 04-11-2012 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2918237)
I have to say, none of that made any sense.

I am not surprised. If you start with a natural, materialistic world, and admit no other possibility, that is where you will remain.

Botnst 04-11-2012 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2918237)
I have to say, none of that made any sense.

Golly, I thought the part of his description you quoted was especially clear, Possibly having raised 3 kids gave me a kind of insight.

If 'the good' is defined by the individual then think of a baby reaching for something shiny and dangerous. In an adult, self-defining "the good" opens us to the world of a psychopath.

MTI 04-11-2012 11:36 AM

I do not disagree that humans have the capacity to learn and adapt. However, it's not merely Epicurus or an infant that has a unique way of defining good . . . Everyone, at every stage of life does. How this relates to a deity is the confusion I have with the statement.

cmbdiesel 04-11-2012 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2918043)
He confuses the concept of omnipotence.
Omnipotence simply refers to having the power to do whatever power can do. For instance, if I were to ask you how much electrical power it takes to make the sky blue, you'd correctly respond along the lines that the color of the sky is not a product of electricity.
I'd respond in a similar vein to Epicurus. Evil is not something that Power affects.

Epicurus also assumes that "good" is whatever he considers to be "good". In the real world what a child considers "good" may not be the same as what a responsible adult would consider "good". In the case of the Creator and creation, the difference is even greater.

So power that can create good cannot destroy evil?

Perceived colors are variations in the spectrum of light. Light is energy, energy is power. An omnipotent god can make the sky blue or green or pink.

There is no mention of good....

Maybe god doesn't believe in evil, as we do, and as such does nothing to destroy it? In which case, one must ask, "Is there good?" If not, then no reward for the pious and 'goodly'... and no punishment for the evil. Maybe god just doesn't give a 5hit what we do.

MS Fowler 04-11-2012 04:59 PM

^^
You write as if evil were a created "thing". Perhaps it is not.


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