Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > General Discussions > Off-Topic Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 04-10-2012, 02:00 AM
chilcutt's Avatar
Anywhere I Roam
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Singapore
Posts: 14,766
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmbdiesel View Post
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - Epicurus



all matter is mearly energy condensed through a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, life is only a dream and we are the imaginations of ourselves. - Bill Hicks

If God is all-powerful, can he make a rock so big that he himself can't lift it? - George Carlin
The Bill Hicks thingy made me flash back to Alan Watts.

__________________
CHILCUTT~
The secret to a long life. Is knowing when it is time to leave.
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 04-10-2012, 01:00 PM
MS Fowler's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Littlestown PA ( 6 miles south of Gettysburg)
Posts: 2,277
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmbdiesel View Post
Wherein lies the fallacy of Epicurus??
He confuses the concept of omnipotence.
Omnipotence simply refers to having the power to do whatever power can do. For instance, if I were to ask you how much electrical power it takes to make the sky blue, you'd correctly respond along the lines that the color of the sky is not a product of electricity.
I'd respond in a similar vein to Epicurus. Evil is not something that Power affects.

Epicurus also assumes that "good" is whatever he considers to be "good". In the real world what a child considers "good" may not be the same as what a responsible adult would consider "good". In the case of the Creator and creation, the difference is even greater.
__________________
1982 300SD " Wotan" ..On the road as of Jan 8, 2007 with Historic Tags
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 04-10-2012, 01:43 PM
Botnst's Avatar
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: There castle.
Posts: 44,587
"42"
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 04-10-2012, 01:54 PM
Carleton Hughes's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,612
Quote:
Originally Posted by chilcutt View Post
Resist the inner voices..
Meaning take your Thorazine and Lithium.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 04-10-2012, 05:09 PM
waterboarding w/medmech
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Coming to your hometown
Posts: 7,987
Quote:
Originally Posted by dkveuro View Post
Granted, but only AFTER the fact. I wanna see one that predicts something in the future .

.........and then there's this: Welcome to cremationofcare.com - You are currently within the 'The Illuminati' section..

holy crap, that's some weird stuff.....
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 04-10-2012, 06:13 PM
The Swede's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 286
I like what Robert Anton Wilson said about conspiracies.

Robert Anton Wilson on Conspiracy Theories - YouTube
__________________
'07 Yukon 2500
'13 Subaru Outback 3.6R
'13 Orbea Carpe 9-speed

Currently Benzless
Formerly: 300TD, S600, E55, 560SEL

---= The forest breathes, listen.
-Native American elder
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 04-10-2012, 07:01 PM
MTI's Avatar
MTI MTI is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
Posts: 10,626
Quote:
Originally Posted by MS Fowler View Post
Epicurus also assumes that "good" is whatever he considers to be "good". In the real world what a child considers "good" may not be the same as what a responsible adult would consider "good". In the case of the Creator and creation, the difference is even greater.

I have to say, none of that made any sense.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 04-10-2012, 07:04 PM
Inna-propriate-da-vida
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,969
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTI View Post
I have to say, none of that made any sense.
Well, it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is...

maybe it was just sophistry...

"How do I know the Bible isn't the word of God? Well if it was the word of God it would be clear and easy to understand...considering God was the creator of LANGUAGE!" - Bill Hicks.
__________________
On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

https://media.giphy.com/media/X3nnss8PAj5aU/giphy.gif

Last edited by cmbdiesel; 04-10-2012 at 08:35 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 04-11-2012, 08:28 AM
MS Fowler's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Littlestown PA ( 6 miles south of Gettysburg)
Posts: 2,277
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTI View Post
I have to say, none of that made any sense.
I am not surprised. If you start with a natural, materialistic world, and admit no other possibility, that is where you will remain.
__________________
1982 300SD " Wotan" ..On the road as of Jan 8, 2007 with Historic Tags
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 04-11-2012, 08:40 AM
Botnst's Avatar
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: There castle.
Posts: 44,587
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTI View Post
I have to say, none of that made any sense.
Golly, I thought the part of his description you quoted was especially clear, Possibly having raised 3 kids gave me a kind of insight.

If 'the good' is defined by the individual then think of a baby reaching for something shiny and dangerous. In an adult, self-defining "the good" opens us to the world of a psychopath.
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old 04-11-2012, 11:36 AM
MTI's Avatar
MTI MTI is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
Posts: 10,626
I do not disagree that humans have the capacity to learn and adapt. However, it's not merely Epicurus or an infant that has a unique way of defining good . . . Everyone, at every stage of life does. How this relates to a deity is the confusion I have with the statement.
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 04-11-2012, 04:05 PM
Inna-propriate-da-vida
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,969
Quote:
Originally Posted by MS Fowler View Post
He confuses the concept of omnipotence.
Omnipotence simply refers to having the power to do whatever power can do. For instance, if I were to ask you how much electrical power it takes to make the sky blue, you'd correctly respond along the lines that the color of the sky is not a product of electricity.
I'd respond in a similar vein to Epicurus. Evil is not something that Power affects.

Epicurus also assumes that "good" is whatever he considers to be "good". In the real world what a child considers "good" may not be the same as what a responsible adult would consider "good". In the case of the Creator and creation, the difference is even greater.
So power that can create good cannot destroy evil?

Perceived colors are variations in the spectrum of light. Light is energy, energy is power. An omnipotent god can make the sky blue or green or pink.

There is no mention of good....

Maybe god doesn't believe in evil, as we do, and as such does nothing to destroy it? In which case, one must ask, "Is there good?" If not, then no reward for the pious and 'goodly'... and no punishment for the evil. Maybe god just doesn't give a 5hit what we do.
__________________
On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

https://media.giphy.com/media/X3nnss8PAj5aU/giphy.gif
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 04-11-2012, 04:59 PM
MS Fowler's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Littlestown PA ( 6 miles south of Gettysburg)
Posts: 2,277
^^
You write as if evil were a created "thing". Perhaps it is not.

__________________
1982 300SD " Wotan" ..On the road as of Jan 8, 2007 with Historic Tags
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page