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jplinville · #1 04-09-2012, 11:59 AM

US Attorney General Eric Holder's Ballot to Vote Offered to Total Stranger - YouTube

elchivito · #2 04-09-2012, 12:06 PM

Solid proof that apparently the only people committing voter fraud are James O'Keefe and his Project Veritas.

Honus · #3 04-09-2012, 12:27 PM

Gee, I wonder why the guy didn't go ahead and vote. Maybe he knew that voter fraud is a felony for which you can spend years in prison.

That video is a bunch of anti-American baloney.

jplinville · #4 04-09-2012, 12:40 PM

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Gee, I wonder why the guy didn't go ahead and vote. Maybe he knew that voter fraud is a felony for which you can spend years in prison.

That video is Anti-American?? Please continue...I'd like to hear more about your opinion.

Honus · #5 04-09-2012, 01:49 PM

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That video is Anti-American?? Please continue...I'd like to hear more about your opinion.

People would have to be idiots to try to influence an election in the manner shown in that video. It would be the stupidest crime ever devised. That's why there's no evidence of any election ever being affected by people impersonating other voters. People aren't going to risk multiple life terms in prison simply because they want to try to move an election result by a fraction of a percentage point. It just doesn't happen. That's why the recent efforts to abolish voter impersonation fraud have nothing to do with protecting the integrity of our elections. Their purpose is to disenfranchise certain types of voters, voters who tend to vote for Democrats. The voter fraud that matters is done on the official side, not by impersonators.

So, to answer your question, free elections are a core American value. O'Keefe's video is part of an effort to undermine that core American value. It is anti-American.

MTUpower · #6 04-09-2012, 02:50 PM

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People would have to be idiots to try to influence an election in the manner shown in that video. It would be the stupidest crime ever devised. That's why there's no evidence of any election ever being affected by people impersonating other voters. People aren't going to risk multiple life terms in prison simply because they want to try to move an election result by a fraction of a percentage point. It just doesn't happen. That's why the recent efforts to abolish voter impersonation fraud have nothing to do with protecting the integrity of our elections. Their purpose is to disenfranchise certain types of voters, voters who tend to vote for Democrats. The voter fraud that matters is done on the official side, not by impersonators.

So, to answer your question, free elections are a core American value. O'Keefe's video is part of an effort to undermine that core American value. It is anti-American.

Your argument holds as much water as a chain link fence.

t walgamuth · #7 04-09-2012, 02:54 PM

I have to agree with Honus on this one.

Honus · #8 04-09-2012, 03:13 PM

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Your argument holds as much water as a chain link fence.

Really? What did I miss?

cmbdiesel · #9 04-09-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

People would have to be idiots to try to influence an election in the manner shown in that video. It would be the stupidest crime ever devised. That's why there's no evidence of any election ever being affected by people impersonating other voters. People aren't going to risk multiple life terms in prison simply because they want to try to move an election result by a fraction of a percentage point. It just doesn't happen. That's why the recent efforts to abolish voter impersonation fraud have nothing to do with protecting the integrity of our elections. Their purpose is to disenfranchise certain types of voters, voters who tend to vote for Democrats. The voter fraud that matters is done on the official side, not by impersonators.

So, to answer your question, free elections are a core American value. O'Keefe's video is part of an effort to undermine that core American value. It is anti-American.

"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Josef Stalin)

jplinville · #10 04-09-2012, 03:51 PM

After the fiasco known as ACORN, do we really need to explain how it will and can happen?

Why not have laws requiring identification shown to be able to vote? What's your issue against it, Honus?

Honus · #11 04-09-2012, 04:03 PM

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After the fiasco known as ACORN, do we really need to explain how it will and can happen?

Yes.

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Why not have laws requiring identification shown to be able to vote? What's your issue against it, Honus?

I don't have any problem with being required to show some sort of ID when I vote. It's very strange that DC doesn't have that requirement. The problem I have is with the new statutes that limit the types of ID that are accepted at the polls. These stricter requirements don't seem like a big deal to most people, but they do in fact prevent some people from voting. That harm might be a worthwhile tradeoff if the new requirements prevented actual fraud. So far, I have seen no evidence that they do.

These guys have a bunch of good stuff on the subject: The Truth About Voter Fraud | Brennan Center for Justice

BTW, did ACORN do anything that resulted in a single fraudulent vote?

elchivito · #12 04-09-2012, 04:29 PM

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BTW, did ACORN do anything that resulted in a single fraudulent vote?

The right loves to throw around ACORN, but the fact is, they committed no voter fraud, nor did they mis-spend any federal funds. At least according to the Congressional Research Service.

jplinville · #13 04-09-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

Yes.I don't have any problem with being required to show some sort of ID when I vote. It's very strange that DC doesn't have that requirement. The problem I have is with the new statutes that limit the types of ID that are accepted at the polls. These stricter requirements don't seem like a big deal to most people, but they do in fact prevent some people from voting. That harm might be a worthwhile tradeoff if the new requirements prevented actual fraud. So far, I have seen no evidence that they do.

These guys have a bunch of good stuff on the subject: The Truth About Voter Fraud | Brennan Center for Justice

BTW, did ACORN do anything that resulted in a single fraudulent vote?

Who did the stricter requirements prevent from voting?

cmbdiesel · #14 04-09-2012, 04:43 PM

Pa. Voter ID law a problem for Amish, others

In addition to the lengthy questionnaire is the fee of $13.50... where is a guy (or gal) who grows/makes or barters for all he has going to get $$$??