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JB3 · #61 06-04-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

They did paint some fairly broad caricatures. The McCoy woman who had been married to Johnse, after her true love Phillips was shot, after hitting the guy who shot him (in self defense if the film is to be believed) chimed in 'there weren't none better than my Frank fer killin' Hatfields!' Oh well, live by the sword . . .

And the guy in the role of her brother hammed it up pretty good when he came to their cabin saying they were after him, he needed to hide out, etc. It was sorta funny, him waving his gun as he gestured. He said he shot the guy, they asked why, he says 'cuz I was drunk!'

God only knows how much of this was pure fabrication by the film-makers, well maybe someone other than God but not me.

I don't know, that sort of stuff isnt too far from reality when people are completely sauced.
Of course everyone has a hand gun on their person.

I was just thinking back on how many silly altercations ive gotten into over my youth over stupid crap, and what could have happened if anyone had been armed at the time. Stands to reason that the ridiculousness of it is fairly accurate to a community of drunk, armed men

jplinville · #62 06-04-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

They did paint some fairly broad caricatures. The McCoy woman who had been married to Johnse, after her true love Phillips was shot, after hitting the guy who shot him (in self defense if the film is to be believed) chimed in 'there weren't none better than my Frank fer killin' Hatfields!' Oh well, live by the sword . . .

And the guy in the role of her brother hammed it up pretty good when he came to their cabin saying they were after him, he needed to hide out, etc. It was sorta funny, him waving his gun as he gestured. He said he shot the guy, they asked why, he says 'cuz I was drunk!'

God only knows how much of this was pure fabrication by the film-makers, well maybe someone other than God but not me.

A little comparison between reality and the movie...

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/05/29/how-realistic-is-hatfields-and-mccoys/?mod=google_news_blog

SwampYankee · #63 06-04-2012, 04:56 PM

2 episodes in and I find myself "rooting" for Devil Anse. Not entirely sure why. Both sides are completely off their rockers. I guess Randall comes across as the woe-is-me type.

SwampYankee · #64 06-04-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

A little comparison between reality and the movie...

'Hatfields and McCoys': How Realistic is The Kevin Costner Miniseries on History? - Speakeasy - WSJ

What the hell would a professor emeritus from UConn know about the Hatfield-McCoy feud???

The Clk Man · #65 06-04-2012, 10:24 PM

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You mean cah?

While able to understand the most native Maine-ah, he was most proud of maintaining his CT non-accent despite the full immersion for decades.

Do they have Cadillac Converters in CT.?

anghrist · #66 06-05-2012, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

There still exists places in West Virginia and Kentucky where this type of thing is not unusual. Let's just say if one has a strong New York accent or if one tends to ask nosy prying questions, it might be best to not wander out into the Kentucky outback. They don't take kindly to outsiders.......

Heck, I'm from Kentucky and they never took kindly to me there. I'd always get a, "you ain't from 'round here, are ya?" more often than I could count. I guess it's because I ask inconvenient questions and generally didn't fit well socially.

anghrist · #67 06-05-2012, 01:56 AM

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When I moved my family from Fla. to central Korntucky, we were considered outsiders. It took almost two years before we were let in.

Born there. Never really fit in. But I'm just that way.

cmac2012 · #68 06-05-2012, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

2 episodes in and I find myself "rooting" for Devil Anse. Not entirely sure why. Both sides are completely off their rockers. I guess Randall comes across as the woe-is-me type.

I haven't got into the link yet, the one just above, but the history thumbnails I've seen so far have indicated that Randall McCoy was a sort of "morbid" man (their word), that he rarely laughed. Devil Anse was reportedly more likable. It might have been in the credits too, I forget, but one online piece said 5000 people attended his funeral, the most that anyone could remember. They said that McCoy died of burns but didn't give specifics.

I was rooting for Devil Anse also, Costner and crew did put him in a good light, apparently there's some truth to it.

**EDIT**

Just read some of the links and I was glad to see that the saloon/brothel was a fabrication. That just didn't seem right somehow. Also, these and other accounts indicate that the business of Devil Anse getting aholdt of Perry Cline's timber happened a bit differently that the movie has it. Haven't seen an account of that in any detail yet.

SwampYankee · #69 06-05-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I haven't got into the link yet, the one just above, but the history thumbnails I've seen so far have indicated that Randall McCoy was a sort of "morbid" man (their word), that he rarely laughed. Devil Anse was reportedly more likable. It might have been in the credits too, I forget, but one online piece said 5000 people attended his funeral, the most that anyone could remember. They said that McCoy died of burns but didn't give specifics.

I was rooting for Devil Anse also, Costner and crew did put him in a good light, apparently there's some truth to it.

**EDIT**

Just read some of the links and I was glad to see that the saloon/brothel was a fabrication. That just didn't seem right somehow. Also, these and other accounts indicate that the business of Devil Anse getting aholdt of Perry Cline's timber happened a bit differently that the movie has it. Haven't seen an account of that in any detail yet.

Perry Cline, or should I say the portrayal or Perry Cline, was quite unlikable to me so whether Anse screwed him over or not wouldn't change my impression of him.

cmac2012 · #70 06-05-2012, 03:55 PM

It's hard to say. It appears as though they took serious liberties with the Perry Cline story. Apparently, a detailed account of what went down on the Devil Anse/Cline lawsuit will not be forthcoming. I found this bit from a Cline family website about it:

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5/31/2012 - The recent mini-series, Hatfields & McCoys, starring Kevin Costner, takes certain liberties with the actual facts as they pertain to Perry Cline. First, in the movie, when Perry Cline first confronts Devil Anse Hatfield, he is portrayed as an attorney representing a client who claims that Devil Anse is cutting timber on his client's land. This is a complete fabrication of the actual facts. In reality, in 1872, a lawsuit was filed by Devil Anse Hatfield against Perry Cline over ownership or timber rights to a 5,000 acre tract of land on Grapevine Creek. Perry, and his brother Jacob Jr., inherited that 5,000 acre tract from their father, Jacob "Rich Jake" Cline, in 1858 when Jacob died. The matter was settled out of court by 1877 when Perry deeded his interest in this 5,000 acre tract to Devil Anse. During this period, Perry was not a lawyer, and he was not representing anyone else's interest as a lawyer. It is unknown how Devil Anse Hatfield got control of that tract of land. However, it was not due to Perry Cline filing a false claim as an attorney on behalf of another, as is claimed in the movie. Perry Cline does not become a lawyer until several years after the beginning of the lawsuit. What is clear is that the writers intended to portray Perry Cline as a "shyster lawyer" from the very beginning.

Second, Perry Cline was married in 1868 to Martha Adkins and had several children with her by the time of the major events of the feud. However, in the movie, Perry is portrayed as a bachelor, with interest in Roseanna McCoy, which never happened. It is true that Roseanna lived with Perry Cline and his wife and children in later years, but as a nanny and nothing more.

The end of the movie is a further attempt to smear Perry Cline when he introduces his bride to Frank Phillips. The insinuation by Frank Phillips, that Perry liked his women "young," is demonstrably false as shown by census and marriage records. The 1870 Logan County, West Virginia census lists Perry Cline as 20 years old, with wife Martha as 21 years old, and their oldest child, John (1 yr old). If the real Perry Cline liked his women "young," he would not have married someone older than himself. As is obvious, the writers were again attempting to paint Perry Cline in a negative light.

Poetic license is sometimes used very effectively to condense real life events, that took place over several years, into a manageable length for a movie. However, this movie unnecessarily takes liberties to portray one side as "good" and the other as "evil." It is unfortunate but it appears that the writers saw it necessary to falsely implicate someone as the "bad guy." It might make good fiction, but it does not make good history.

Jerry P. Cline

Cline Family Association

Other sites have about the same info. I've read several times that the latter half of the feud could be more accurately be called the Cline/Hatfield feud and the movie more or less alludes to that. Hard to know who was the bigger villain from this distance.