Wait a minute! Are you saying that he has done NOTHING to increase the debt? It was $10T after 27 of the years you talk about and $5T in only THREE of his.

Have you forgotten about his stimulus that he said if passed would keep unemployment below 8% and it hasn't been that low since?

Are you SURE you're not smoking that stuff we were talking about?

So his solution is to solve $10T of debt with $5T more? tsk, tsk, tsk

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It`s pretty damn close to 8% (8.2%) now, though the labor force participation number is quite scary.

Yes and the Labor Participation number is the REAL unemployment value.

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well, if your grasp of english is as clear as I know it is, you know I didn't say that.

I DID say there is a entitlement syndrome, and there is. The idea where more can be had for less. The economic theory of trickle down economics has created a situation where we have 30 years of people basically being "spoiled" for want of a better term, and the effect is that hard decisions are not easy to make and get through a congress that may not agree, because the PEOPLE do not want to admit it has to be done.

What we need to do is cut spending and increase taxes, and the situation will be resolved, but its not so simple, what with a massive recession, and foreign wars that require spending.

What I said is he's riding a monster, and the monster is so committed that it needs feeding before it can be culled down.

I figure he's push for more radical fiscal changes in his second term if he wins and try and bring the debt under control.

Getting us out of foreign conflict and reducing military spending would be a good first step, which he has been working towards, but again, easier said than done, once embroiled, we can't just pull out of these countries without disastrous consequences for the countries in question which are totally destabilized.

Its a tough job. You should try and think how you would ACTUALLY solve some of these problems rather than spouting rhetoric.

One of the annoying issues is the knee jerk response to marijuana. It should be legal, because money spent enforcing that is desperately needed elsewhere at this current time.

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Not precisely -- there`s a certain segment of the population (retirees, some partners of working people) who doesn`t need or want to work. Actually, I`d personally rather NOT see two parents always working full-time when you have a two parent family. There`s a difference between wanting a career and taking any job out of need.

Roughly half of the budget is entitlements. I would start there. If you're getting something for nothing, that you never earned like paying into SS you're on your own.

It would mean fighting in the streets, but better to get it over with now and move on, just like the TARP. GW should have just let it crash and get it behind us. I'm not so convinced it would have been such a serious crash anyway.

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Well I posted the above and had to leave for awhile. I FULLY expected there to be many outcries before I could come back and expound.

People that have been putting money into Social Security and Medicare would get their money back or otherwise come up with a program that would ensure that it has not been stolen from them. Any other groups who have been promised things by the government in the form of contracts such as union contracts or benefits agreed upon for the military people would be honored and somehow squared up.

Those who are getting subsidies in big business such as oil company and farming subsidies would no longer get them. It would stop cold turkey.

People who are TRULY needy would be taken care of. The ones found to TRULY not be able to work, such as the mentally ill would be taken care of in some way, but not lavishly. Those who are capable of working would have work of some sort. That work might be picking up trash along the road, shoveling snow or other work that needs to be done for the tax paying people. The pay received in return would NOT be enough to have cell phones, televisions, air conditioning, automobiles and the like. It would be subsistence and if the drug test wasn't passed, they would be in bare subsistence barracks until they cleaned up their drug and alcohol habits.

School would no longer be held in Tajmahal school buildings as have been built in the last few years. Sure, the buildings are already there, but no more would be built. Those who want Tajmahal schools can pay for private school.

I would not prosecute current marijuana cases, but anyone caught with it or any other illegal drug would be in the barracks with the rest of those unable to pass a drug test.

Basically except for the people who really and truly need to be taken care of and have no way to take care of themselves, the government would be giving no one anything!

Kind of the opposite of our current President and every other politician who use OUR tax money for handouts to buy votes.

My Eutopia!

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I couldn't agree more. There are many problems in society as a result of both parents working.

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Well, for one thing, the two income family can afford more and better pot.

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Hemp also has many uses that would benefit the country's economy, look it up...

Sure we could go back to hemp ropes instead of nylon ropes and chains.

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So nicotine and alcohol.... yes ... no?

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We sure could and should go back to hemp ropes. Nylon rope sucks and is a petroleum product to boot.

All of our paper and much of our clothing should be made from hemp.

Also has effective use as an oil producing seed for consumption, lubrication and fuel, although there are better seed bearing plants for oil production.

A little research would go a long way for you if you care to do it. Hemp is a wonderful crop and our use of it would greatly diminish the need to cut trees.

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I need clarification on this passage. Written like it is, it would seem at first reading to indicate that mentally ill people capable of working would be employed picking up trash or shoveling snow.

Or are you suggesting that there WOULD be work for everyone? as opposed to being on unemployment?

Then you suggest a bare bones pay, that means they can't afford basic stuff, a cell phone is not expensive. How do you suggest they get off this program and put money away?

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Pretty big tasks for such small words.

The rest is fascist claptrap.

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I was going to say that he's describing a minimum security jail setup. Picking up trash is exactly what minimum security jail details do on the highway.

Hell, even the people in jail have access to TV in the libraries and such.

Basically, instead of barracks, lets just call them camps. Then we can start putting anyone we find undesirable in there as well, as determined by Potentate LB. Then I guess the next step would be that since these camps still cost a bunch of money to support, we might start getting rid of the inmates in cost effective methods. Ooo, how about we gas them?

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