I can't say that I could blame him for wanting better for his family. Especially when there's comparatively little consequence to coming here illegally.

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There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Same old Larry, if someones not a self righteous religious land owning hypocritical elderly white man, then they are a liberal.

A lot of these illegals are hard working, honest people, who would make far better American citizens than a large number of deaf, dumb, and blind conservative republicans.

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So breaking the law makes them better Americans? I'm trying to find the logic in that.

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Sure. Given the choice, id take a guy who entered the country illegally because he was fleeing chaos in his own country, and works his a$$ off trying to provided for his family over the guy screaming about his lawn being ruined.

This country was founded on the immigrant, no reason to deny our roots. Rubio sees that, also sees that people come into the country all the time illegally anyway, might as well provide possible avenues for people to become American citizens

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I sense a disturbance in the LarryBible.

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Yes this country was founded on the immigrant, the LEGAL ones! Glorifying criminals is NOT the way to improve or even maintain our country.

I WELCOME immigration, LEGAL immigration.

Hearing so much complacency regarding respect for the law is quite sad!

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Legal? Who gave the settlers work visa's and permits?

Like I said earlier. Real easy to arm chair quarterback. When you are in the situation, the choices become quite different. My dad had to make choices. He lives with them every day. A person does what they have to do. I have no doubt that you are incapable of understanding that.

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Two things.....

My family did not come here legally. They were captured and enslaved and sent to Georgia to work on a Plantation just because they tried to kill the King of England. This was in 1678.

They stayed slaves only long enough to regain their strength and then, according to family lore, they killed the Plantation owners and everyone else big enough to die. They then stayed out of sight until 1777 when a few of them took it upon themselves to kill Englishmen again. The family managed to lay low for 99 years, and when they re-emerged they found out the current King was still looking for them.

So after the British were tossed over they moved West and were not found until 1830 when they were informed they were now natural born citizens.

The bottom line here is that not once in 152 years did it occur to them to 'self-deport', and I don't think as long as there is opportunity here for the current illegals none of them are leaving of their own free will. Where would they go?

And..... I don't think Rubio is advocating for people to come here in less than a legal manner. He is just saying he understands why they come, and I have to agree with him on their motivation.

But that does not mean I agree with their actions, and I don't think Rubio does either.

So this means that YOU are an atheist, renting, single minded, young non-white, woman?

I agree that there are a lot, most certainly a majority of illegal aliens that are hard working somewhat honest people. HOWEVER, they are CRIMINALS by definition. What part of the word illegal are you having trouble understanding?

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With no doubt in my mind I will assert that if I were a poor Mexican (Arab, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Haitian, Congolese, etc) I would do everything I could to sneak into the USA or Canada by any means necessary so that I could provide opportunity for my family's future. In no way do I blame illegal immigrants for their ambition, drive and initiative.

Nor do I feel any shame in throwing them out when caught. This the world we live in, not the world we wish for.

You are at least FAIR bot! The difference you and many others is that once they're here illegally, many believe that they get to stay EVEN after breaking the law.

They are criminals and like any other criminals, when caught they should have to suffer the consequences.

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Point of order sir. Yes this is the world we live in but it is our world and we make the rules. We can change the rules at any given time. So in a way, it is the world we wish for because we make the rules. You seem to make it sound like we have no control over the world we live in. I take exception with that because I believe at least in this instance, the world we live in is the world that some seem to wish for, others such as my self and Obama, seem to be willing to change the rules of the world we live in.

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same old black and white larry.

davidmash said it best so far. We live in a nation of laws, certainly, but laws can be changed and modified by men, and what was law yesterday may not be law tomorrow. If it were suddenly illegal to own more than two acres tomorrow, would you consider yourself a criminal? or would you consider that your rights had been violated?

Its easy enough for you to stand in your perfectly stable life and situation, and utter platitudes about legality from a stable environment governed by rule of law, never having to take the leap and maybe consider what life would be like without that rule of law.

Maybe you should leave your comfort zone, and consider life from the other side, using northern Mexico as an example-

Mexico's Formidable Battle against Lawlessness and Mayhem

Sure its easy enough to call people criminals when you yourself have never faced an even remotely similar crisis. The best you can do is whine about your lawn being ruined by a pipeline, when these people are facing murder, kidnapping, rape, and extended violence near and in their homes.

Given the situation just south of the border, if I lived there, you can bet I would consider crossing illegally, especially if the visa process is and was a time consuming and endless series of paperwork that in part depends on the good will of your own local government agencies that may or may not be compromised or corrupt.
You should be ashamed of yourself for presuming to call people criminals who may have had to face that.

Rubio demonstrates some depth of character in actually stating that maybe the country could provide avenues for people caught in this type of crisis, and in this country illegally.

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