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Old 06-29-2012, 05:17 PM
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Why Patton was right; arm the Germans and go after the Ruskies

Saw a recent tv show about a writer for Forbes magazine who made it his mission to open a Forbes office in Russia. He wanted to write and expose the corruption within the new Russian economy. For his efforts, he was gunned down.....and the murderers have never been caught.

'They raped every German female from eight to 80' | Books | The Guardian


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I"ll add that recent actions by the Russian Mafia to the previous two items to prove up my case that Ruskies are bad people. Brutality taken to a new level.........I think when invading a country, the Japanese might be more benevolent than the Ruskies......

what kind of soldier rapes grandmothers and mothers in front of their own sons? sickos........
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I"ll add that recent actions by the Russian Mafia to the previous two items to prove up my case that Ruskies are bad people. Brutality taken to a new level.........

I think when invading a country, the Japanese might be more benevolent than the Ruskies......

what kind of soldier rapes grandmothers and mothers in front of their own sons? sickos........
People are basically bad. Given the right motivation and opportunity, the bad in them will come out. We just haven't been given the right motivation and opportunity.

Keep thinking. In fact, why don't you ask someone from Nanking? Perhaps they might give you a better idea.

The kind that is a human being in a war. I don't think we are going back to the dueling days anytime soon.
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It's a sick sick world, isn't it?
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Nice troll, HuskyMan. Russia is a country with some evil people in it, as all countries have. But that doesn't make the average Russian evil. If anything, I pity the average Russian, since they've been constantly oppressed by their own gov't and criminal strongmen for a millenium or so.
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I"ll add that recent actions by the Russian Mafia to the previous two items to prove up my case that Ruskies are bad people. Brutality taken to a new level.........I think when invading a country, the Japanese might be more benevolent than the Ruskies......

what kind of soldier rapes grandmothers and mothers in front of their own sons? sickos........
They drink vodka for god's sake. Nothing is beneath them.
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It was just the Russians "getting even" in their mind for 4 years of the most brutal land combat ever to have taken place in the history of warfare.


You think Iraq is bad? Its a hardly worth reporting minor skirmish compared to what happened on the eastern front.

Kursk is a very interesting battle among many.

Unlike what American and British tankers were used to, at Kursk their was so much armor in some sectors, and both sides were unwilling to back down that armor formations literally ran into and rammed each other. Throw an SS armor brigade and an angry Russian army at each other and not one slows down, 25mph collisions between T34's and Panzer 4's, Tigers, etc. Than when they collide you have a very confused mass of tanks mixed among each other and no one really knows what is what. But you get things like Tigers running into T34's at literally point blank and opening up. Or in the case of one Russian tank commander, getting blown out of his tank, and than after landing finding himself alongside another T34 which he boards and continues the fight in.

Compare that to when we shot up the Republican guard tanks, ha that's nothing.

So I can see why the Russians were a bit angry.
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I"ll add that recent actions by the Russian Mafia to the previous two items to prove up my case that Ruskies are bad people. Brutality taken to a new level.........I think when invading a country, the Japanese might be more benevolent than the Ruskies......

what kind of soldier rapes grandmothers and mothers in front of their own sons? sickos........

Look up FBI stats on R mafia.
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The war in Russia was overall far less civilized than the war in the west. There were a lot of scores to settle at the end.

Rape was perhaps an additional way of debasing the german population at the time. On the eastern front life was worth very little. The political system of the times in germany tried to justify general atrocities by calling the russians basically animals. I think with what transpired in those years may have induced russians to act the part.

For any combination to have attacked the russians would have been wrong. The russians bore the brunt of breaking the german army. Without the russian involvement and sacrifices there was not much probability of the western forces defeating the german armed forces.

Even if they had managed it the causualties would have been too high to accept. I forget the total amount of russians that perished but it was really a signifigant percentage of their population. Expecting the russian army to let bygones be bygones was basically impossible.

Even with the low losses experienced on the western front. General Eisenhower is credited with starving approximatly one million german soldiers to death. This was after germanys defeat. War is far from sugically clean. It in fact is a very dirty business.
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The Russians wanted to make sure the Germans couldn't rise again so they "properly" destroyed a country, the likes of which hasn't been seen to often in history.

1. Kill all men over 15, those you can't kill march off as slaves. Return a few after 10 years or more.
2. Rape all women, kill as many as you can.
3. Haul off their industry to your country.
4. Install a puppet government.
5. Base large military forces nearby and in it.

Worked though, no more war in Europe since.

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The war in Russia was overall far less civilized than the war in the west. There were a lot of scores to settle at the end.

Rape was perhaps an additional way of debasing the german population at the time. On the eastern front life was worth very little. The political system of the times in germany tried to justify general atrocities by calling the russians basically animals. I think with what transpired in those years may have induced russians to act the part.

For any combination to have attacked the russians would have been wrong. The russians bore the brunt of breaking the german army. Without the russian involvement and sacrifices there was not much probability of the western forces defeating the german armed forces.

Even if they had managed it the causualties would have been too high to accept. I forget the total amount of russians that perished but it was really a signifigant percentage of their population. Expecting the russian army to let bygones be bygones was basically impossible.

Even with the low losses experienced on the western front. General Eisenhower is credited with starving approximatly one million german soldiers to death. This was after germanys defeat. War is far from sugically clean. It in fact is a very dirty business.
Who ever said war must be a civilized, thing? If you want to fight, go all out, destroy the enemy and win. That or go home. If you enemy is more determined to exterminate you than you are him, you stand a chance of getting your ass kicked.
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Saw a recent tv show about a writer for Forbes magazine who made it his mission to open a Forbes office in Russia. He wanted to write and expose the corruption within the new Russian economy. For his efforts, he was gunned down.....and the murderers have never been caught.

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The probability that soldiers will rape your women is one good reason not to mount wars of aggression. If things don't go as you'd like, oopsie, here comes a bunch of soldiers to exact revenge. Not saying it's right but then again neither was the Siege of Leningrad right. Stalingrad's near destruction probably didn't sit well either. To say nothing of untold numbers of smaller, more personal atrocities.

Ironic that you would advocate arming Germans to go after the Russians and then bring up rapes in Germany after armed Germans went somewhat out of their way to antagonize and slaughter Russians.

And Patton, in this instance, was an idiot.
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Patton could be pretty dense.

The history between Russia and Germany goes way beyond ww2 doesn't it?

Raping women is more the rule than any exception in war, historically speaking. Kill the men inmprgnate as many of the wormen as possible to promote your gene pool.

Its only in the last century or so that there have been any rules about war.

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