Why Patton was right; arm the Germans and go after the Ruskies

[HuskyMan]

Saw a recent tv show about a writer for Forbes magazine who made it his mission to open a Forbes office in Russia. He wanted to write and expose the corruption within the new Russian economy. For his efforts, he was gunned down.....and the murderers have never been caught.

'They raped every German female from eight to 80' | Books | The Guardian

[aklim]

Relevance between the items?

[HuskyMan]

Originally Posted by aklim

Relevance between the items?

I"ll add that recent actions by the Russian Mafia to the previous two items to prove up my case that Ruskies are bad people. Brutality taken to a new level.........I think when invading a country, the Japanese might be more benevolent than the Ruskies......

what kind of soldier rapes grandmothers and mothers in front of their own sons? sickos........

[aklim]

Originally Posted by HuskyMan

I"ll add that recent actions by the Russian Mafia to the previous two items to prove up my case that Ruskies are bad people. Brutality taken to a new level.........

I think when invading a country, the Japanese might be more benevolent than the Ruskies......

what kind of soldier rapes grandmothers and mothers in front of their own sons? sickos........

People are basically bad. Given the right motivation and opportunity, the bad in them will come out. We just haven't been given the right motivation and opportunity.

Keep thinking. In fact, why don't you ask someone from Nanking? Perhaps they might give you a better idea.

The kind that is a human being in a war. I don't think we are going back to the dueling days anytime soon.

[HuskyMan]

It's a sick sick world, isn't it?

[spdrun]

Nice troll, HuskyMan. Russia is a country with some evil people in it, as all countries have. But that doesn't make the average Russian evil. If anything, I pity the average Russian, since they've been constantly oppressed by their own gov't and criminal strongmen for a millenium or so.

[elchivito]

Originally Posted by HuskyMan

I"ll add that recent actions by the Russian Mafia to the previous two items to prove up my case that Ruskies are bad people. Brutality taken to a new level.........I think when invading a country, the Japanese might be more benevolent than the Ruskies......

what kind of soldier rapes grandmothers and mothers in front of their own sons? sickos........

They drink vodka for god's sake. Nothing is beneath them.

[Hatterasguy]

It was just the Russians "getting even" in their mind for 4 years of the most brutal land combat ever to have taken place in the history of warfare.


You think Iraq is bad? Its a hardly worth reporting minor skirmish compared to what happened on the eastern front.

Kursk is a very interesting battle among many.

Unlike what American and British tankers were used to, at Kursk their was so much armor in some sectors, and both sides were unwilling to back down that armor formations literally ran into and rammed each other. Throw an SS armor brigade and an angry Russian army at each other and not one slows down, 25mph collisions between T34's and Panzer 4's, Tigers, etc. Than when they collide you have a very confused mass of tanks mixed among each other and no one really knows what is what. But you get things like Tigers running into T34's at literally point blank and opening up. Or in the case of one Russian tank commander, getting blown out of his tank, and than after landing finding himself alongside another T34 which he boards and continues the fight in.

Compare that to when we shot up the Republican guard tanks, ha that's nothing.

So I can see why the Russians were a bit angry.

[barry123400]

The war in Russia was overall far less civilized than the war in the west. There were a lot of scores to settle at the end.

Rape was perhaps an additional way of debasing the german population at the time. On the eastern front life was worth very little. The political system of the times in germany tried to justify general atrocities by calling the russians basically animals. I think with what transpired in those years may have induced russians to act the part.

For any combination to have attacked the russians would have been wrong. The russians bore the brunt of breaking the german army. Without the russian involvement and sacrifices there was not much probability of the western forces defeating the german armed forces.

Even if they had managed it the causualties would have been too high to accept. I forget the total amount of russians that perished but it was really a signifigant percentage of their population. Expecting the russian army to let bygones be bygones was basically impossible.

Even with the low losses experienced on the western front. General Eisenhower is credited with starving approximatly one million german soldiers to death. This was after germanys defeat. War is far from sugically clean. It in fact is a very dirty business.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

It was just the Russians "getting even" in their mind for 4 years of the most brutal land combat ever to have taken place in the history of warfare.


You think Iraq is bad? Its a hardly worth reporting minor skirmish compared to what happened on the eastern front.

Kursk is a very interesting battle among many.

Unlike what American and British tankers were used to, at Kursk their was so much armor in some sectors, and both sides were unwilling to back down that armor formations literally ran into and rammed each other. Throw an SS armor brigade and an angry Russian army at each other and not one slows down, 25mph collisions between T34's and Panzer 4's, Tigers, etc. Than when they collide you have a very confused mass of tanks mixed among each other and no one really knows what is what. But you get things like Tigers running into T34's at literally point blank and opening up. Or in the case of one Russian tank commander, getting blown out of his tank, and than after landing finding himself alongside another T34 which he boards and continues the fight in.

Compare that to when we shot up the Republican guard tanks, ha that's nothing.

So I can see why the Russians were a bit angry.

That's quite a statement! Yes, it was among the most brutal combat, but there are several contenders for the MOST brutal.

[Dudesky]

Originally Posted by HuskyMan

I"ll add that recent actions by the Russian Mafia to the previous two items to prove up my case that Ruskies are bad people. Brutality taken to a new level.........I think when invading a country, the Japanese might be more benevolent than the Ruskies......

what kind of soldier rapes grandmothers and mothers in front of their own sons? sickos........

Look up FBI stats on R mafia.

[strelnik]

Originally Posted by HuskyMan

I"ll add that recent actions by the Russian Mafia to the previous two items to prove up my case that Ruskies are bad people. Brutality taken to a new level.........I think when invading a country, the Japanese might be more benevolent than the Ruskies......

what kind of soldier rapes grandmothers and mothers in front of their own sons? sickos........

Read about Manchuria and Nanking and you will see that the japanese decapitated the women in front of their children. Then they decapitated the children.

The Japanese were "eliminators" but the Russians, just brutes.

[Txjake]

Originally Posted by strelnik

Read about Manchuria and Nanking and you will see that the japanese decapitated the women in front of their children. Then they decapitated the children.

The Japanese were "eliminators" but the Russians, just brutes.

After reading these accounts, it is easy to see using the A bomb, if for nothing else, a punishment. We know that it saved countless scores of US lives, but it was also a hellacious payback for the japanese behavior during the war.

[HuskyMan]

Originally Posted by Txjake

After reading these accounts, it is easy to see using the A bomb, if for nothing else, a punishment. We know that it saved countless scores of US lives, but it was also a hellacious payback for the japanese behavior during the war.

last I checked, the top five selling car brands in the United States are all japanese makes. they may have lost the WWII, but they are kicking our a** in the war of economics.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by Txjake

After reading these accounts, it is easy to see using the A bomb, if for nothing else, a punishment. We know that it saved countless scores of US lives, but it was also a hellacious payback for the japanese behavior during the war.

Honestly, from everything I've read over the years I don't think that very many people looked at Fat Man & Little Boy as punishment. They saved hundreds of thousands of lives on BOTH sides.

It's just a good thing that Truman and his folks kept the fact secret that they only had a couple more of them. If the Japanese had known that only one or two more were available, they might have forced the invasion. It would have been UGLY.

Of ALL the stuff I've read about the Japanese in WWII, I think what effected me most was a story that Pappy Boyington told. After the fire bombing, he and some other POW's were taken out to do clean up work. A nice, very elderly Japanese man sauntered by and Pappy had found a butt of a cigarette for which he asked the old man to light for him.

The old man, kindly and respectfully lit the butt for Pappy and a guard saw the act. The guard came and smacked the elderly gentleman down with the butt of his rifle.

It's one thing for an Army to be mistreating POW's and doing things like the Bataan death march, and that's plenty bad enough. It's quite another to brutally injure one of their own civilians, a somewhat helpless one at that.