What's the rate of lives lost and property lost per gallon of liquid pushed through pipes across the USA?

What's the rate of lives lost and property lost per gallon of liquid trucked and/or railed and/orbarged across the USA?

Just guessing here, but I'll bet buried pipes are safer in every respect.

And as usuall we got a bunch of damn tree huggin hippies trying to undermine capitalist ventures . How is it that the very land the pipeline happens to be crossing is owned by such un-Texan like deviants? i had heard of Rainbow people having gatherings in east texas--But I was assuming they just all piled into VW microbusses on greenville ave and headed out there...........

I think that this pipeline is a goldarn Godsend to the people of Texas, with all those construction jobs coming to such an economically depressed region. Sure, there will be some landowner fair-weather faux-Republican types who talk pro-business and pro-oil industry out of one side of their mouths, while crying bitter tears as pipeline-related eminent domain processes carve a nice swath out of their dust bowl craphole NIMBY backyards, but you know, hey, that's progress...

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I've been following your lead.

Apparently you know nothing about crude oil pipelines. Which ones were you talking about exactly? What is their capacity? Who owns them? Are they intrastate or interstate regulated (big difference)? How old are they? What pressures can they handle? What quality crude can they handle? What are the current take-off points? How many transportation contracts are currently in place? When do they expire? Who owns the right of ways?

Next time come to class prepared.

There is currently a glut of oil in Cushing. This has resulted from companies building tanks there to store oil and from other companies building pipelines into the area so oil can be stored there.

Oil is also delivered there and then pumped from one companies' tank to another's so that that company can then ship it out to their customers.

There is nothing new about this. The oil companies have been doing this for at least 100 years.

What is new is that everyone was wanting to get in on the storage and delivery into Cushing. But it got overbuilt and there is not enough capacity to take it south. By the way, if you wish to pump it east or north or even west this is easy to do, but the reason there is almost no capacity to the south is that the gulf refineries could get oil from the gulf or from imports, so there was no real market for Cushing oil in the gulf coast.

But now there is, or at least there will be once the line is built. No line like this is built without what are called 'through-put' agreements. It is as simple as finding out how much business you will do if you build a line by just asking your customers if they need your service. Until a pipeline company does this they don't even know which size of a line to build.

The folks in my group noticed this imbalance coming about ten years ago, but since the oil company I was with is not that active in the storage business we really did not care. It was not going to hurt us, but we still wondered why no one else could not see this coming.

A line like the Keystone XL would not be considered by the operators as one line. There would be a line into Cushing from the north and Cushing is where it would end. There is going to be a line running out of Cushing to points south where it will end. Both segments will have different operating parameters, but both will stop and start at the TransCanada tank farm in Cushing.

By the way, I think the TransCanada tank farm is going to be built in Ripley, which is a bit northwest of Cushing. This is a common thing, too, since due to what are known as transfer lines oil can be routed from one tank farm to another. The line will have what is known as an injection point at Cushing, but all this is just technical talk. For all practical purposes the line begins at Cushing since no oil will be coming out of Ripley until oil starts coming out of Canada.

Of course, it could be that TransCanada is just using the land in Ripley as a pipe yard. I have a home in Cushing so I guess I could ask around, but so far no one there seems that excited over this project. It might create a few more jobs in the area, but it really takes just a few people to run a tank farm. With automation the way it is there are many large tank farms with only two employees present for about ten hours a day seven days a week.

All in all this will be a money making thing for TransCanada, but as far as creating 13,000 jobs.... Everyone in the oil business laughs at that number. These will be construction jobs and not long term employment jobs. I worked for one of the largest oil companies in the world and our pipeline business had 1,500 people spread out from coast to coast.

This will be a big project, but this is no Alaska Pipeline that will require crews running 24/7, a traveling camp to house and feed all the workers and materials to be bought in over the Al-Can highway. The financial impact will be great but it will be temporary.

There are some here that are very into cause and effect, so here's a far out one for you. The US had some inflation in the late 60's, but when the Alaska pipeline project started up inflation really jumped. Cause and effect? Nope, but that will not stop some people from claiming that this project will wreck our economy. This is because some people do not understand just how big our economy is.

It is projected to raise the price of WTI oil, so that will be nice for the oil producers. And an increase in the price of oil will cause more people to drill for it here and that will create jobs, too, but those jobs would not start until after the line is finished.

The real money will be made when the oil starts to flow. With an announced capacity of 680,000 bpd that's going to be a gross of about $750,000 a day. I don't know what the cost of the southern leg is projected to be, but these projects are usually looked at as paying for themselves in three years or less.

All in all is this a good thing? Yeah, I think so. Will this save the US economy? Nope, but it won't hurt it either.

By the way.... Dmand for construction equipment is going to be great when the north leg construction starts, so if you need a backhoe or bulldozer now would be a good time to buy one. The price is only going to go up once this project starts.

I think this would be more of a Private Infrastructure project.

No one will be able to use it without buying space.

It is sort of like building a new power plant except it will take a lot less time to do so.

And.... If you need more details on this TransCanada has a web site up that goes into a lot of detail. I am sure some of the numbers they have projected will change since they always do once you get into something like this, but their website is a good place to look for current info.

Interesting read! Thanks for sharing your experience & knowledge in this area. All I know is that I'm not looking forward to my place being torn all to hell again.

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Yea well lots of people here have talked about Oklaholomas own little indepent petrolium system and operated pretty much seperately from everyone else, seems like Texas would have been first to boast about that --as much as the usual people around here like to do that..
Anyway even though there have been pipelines running to Houston and Ne of there-- is this pretty much going away? Or is there a whole set of older tanks that will heep it seperated? The price at the pump has usually only been a dime less there than south of the red river- but often I could find cheap diesel in Sherman - or Henrietta, - towns just under the border. CNG is considerably cheaper up there at sometimes under a dollar for a gallon equivalant if you had a cng powered truck and would drive to fill up several big tanks.
So has crony capitalism now changed the basic order in OK? No oklahoman oil people would admit kissing the ass's of Texas oil people--even thoug they are often one in the same. But now the Canadians are spreadin out the green stuff.

One would THINK that if it were a private infrastructure, that they would not have the cooperation of the US Government to FORCE people to sell them land against the landowners will! Believe me, they DO have the power to FORCE the sale of land. Of course, that's how thugs operate.

uhh ----the usual amount of considerationn a republican would show u is " Tough $hit-you're on your own. you-Dont-Own-Nothin if if the powers that be decide they want it. "













How does it feel-to be On Your Own- like a complete unknown?

you act like this is a new thing. :rolleyes:

"Eminent Domain"

Been on the books since before the US was even a country. Been around 1000s of years on top of that.

interesting reading-

Eminent domain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Relishing in the misfortune of others who did nothing more than be in the wrong place at the wrong time...............the definition of a DB.

Hey billyblog -- when you just cant seem to get thru to someone about his conduct-- Well then you just gotta serve them back some of what they love to dish out-- . I kinda think brian was not talking about this--and seems like he was talking about getting enjoyment out of a strangers misfortune. not someone who only want't to amuse himself by makeing a nuisance of himself.







I Know -I know, kinda stinks up the joint.