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Air&Road · #1 07-17-2012, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

It's not often he makes his points this poorly. He handed this one to you righties. Continue with your tizzy.

Yeah, when his REAL thoughts slip out I'm sure it's tough on you guys.

MS Fowler · #2 07-17-2012, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

It's not often he makes his points this poorly. He handed this one to you righties. Continue with your tizzy.

You think our "tizzy" is unwarranted?

elchivito · #3 07-17-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

You think our "tizzy" is unwarranted?

I think you're grabbing straws. His point that most successful people owe their success at least in part to others and sometimes even to a government leg-up is hardly revolutionary. Sure, you can read some scary socialist agenda into it if you'd like. Be my guest.
We all like to imagine we're the Lone Cowboy, never takin' nuthin' from nobody and doin' it all on our lonesome our own way, facin' down the badguys with nothin' but our Colt with only one shot left.
It's hardly ever really like that.

raymr · #4 07-17-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

I think you're grabbing straws. His point that most successful people owe their success at least in part to others and sometimes even to a government leg-up is hardly revolutionary. Sure, you can read some scary socialist agenda into it if you'd like. Be my guest.
We all like to imagine we're the Lone Cowboy, never takin' nuthin' from nobody and doin' it all on our lonesome our own way, facin' down the badguys with nothin' but our Colt with only one shot left.
It's hardly ever really like that.

A more realistic analogy is when you have a group of people who receive the same environmental inputs, education, and benefits of living in a modern society. A few, the leaders, will rise up and leverage those assets in new and interesting ways, while the rest sit around and talk about it.

Just because they did more with the same materials doesn't mean they are now more indebted than those who didn't take action.

Air&Road · #5 07-17-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by raymr

A more realistic analogy is when you have a group of people who receive the same environmental inputs, education, and benefits of living in a modern society. A few, the leaders, will rise up and leverage those assets in new and interesting ways, while the rest sit around and talk about it.

Just because they did more with the same materials doesn't mean they are now more indebted than those who didn't take action.

VERY well put!

MS Fowler · #6 07-17-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by raymr

A more realistic analogy is when you have a group of people who receive the same environmental inputs, education, and benefits of living in a modern society. A few, the leaders, will rise up and leverage those assets in new and interesting ways, while the rest sit around and talk about it.

Just because they did more with the same materials doesn't mean they are now more indebted than those who didn't take action.

I wish I had said that.
Excellent!!

elchivito · #7 07-17-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by raymr

A more realistic analogy is when you have a group of people who receive the same environmental inputs, education, and benefits of living in a modern society. A few, the leaders, will rise up and leverage those assets in new and interesting ways, while the rest sit around and talk about it.

Just because they did more with the same materials doesn't mean they are now more indebted than those who didn't take action.

Not much to disagree with there, but is it your assertion that all of those who are not successful (by whatever arbitrary measure of success) are "those who didn't take action"? In other words, lack of success is always the fault of the one who failed?

MTUpower · #8 07-17-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

It's not often he makes his points this poorly. He handed this one to you righties. Continue with your tizzy.

Thumbs up for your honesty.

elchivito · #9 07-17-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Thumbs up for your honesty.

Thanks. I don't like Kool Aid. Anybody's.

chilcutt · #10 07-17-2012, 12:08 PM

'Once you change your philosophy, you change your thought pattern.
Once you change your thought pattern, you change your attitude.
Once you change your attitude, it changes your behavior pattern.

Then you go on to some action.

When we look at other parts of this earth upon which we live. We find that black, brown, red, yellow people in Asia and Africa are getting their independance.
They are not getting it by singing "We Shall Overcome". No, they are getting it through nationalism. It is Nationalism that brought about the independance of the people of Asia.
It will take Nationalism to bring about the freedom of the Afro-Americans in this country.

America is just as much a Colonial power as England and France ever was. In fact, America is more so a Colonial power than they, because she is a hypocritical Colonial power behind it.
What do you call second class citizenship? Why thats colonialisation. Second class citizenship is nothing more than 20th century slavery'.

MALCOM X

tbomachines · #11 07-17-2012, 12:09 PM

Must be another one of those Obama diversions

jplinville · #12 07-17-2012, 01:07 PM

I believe I know where Obama was going with his comment.

From "The Political Economy of Socialism", by Branko Horvat...
"Excessive disparities in income distribution emerging from private ownership are alleged by proponents of this system to lead to social instability that requires costly corrective measures in the form of social welfare and redistributive taxation and heavy administrative costs to administer them while weakening the incentive to work, inviting dishonesty and increasing the likelihood of tax evasion while reducing the overall efficiency of the market economy and necessitating government regulation over markets"

It's a springboard for his socialistic ideology on the free market. Look for HUGE changes if he's re-elected...changes for the bad.

elchivito · #13 07-17-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

I believe I know where Obama was going with his comment.

From "The Political Economy of Socialism", by Branko Horvat...
"Excessive disparities in income distribution emerging from private ownership are alleged by proponents of this system to lead to social instability that requires costly corrective measures in the form of social welfare and redistributive taxation and heavy administrative costs to administer them while weakening the incentive to work, inviting dishonesty and increasing the likelihood of tax evasion while reducing the overall efficiency of the market economy and necessitating government regulation over markets"

It's a springboard for his socialistic ideology on the free market. Look for HUGE changes if he's re-elected...changes for the bad.

We heard about the coming socialism, sharia law, repeal of the second amendment and all sorts of other scary stuff in 08. It didn't happen. Now it's "wait till he wins a second term, THEN you'll see!!"
Just wait! Just wait!

MS Fowler · #14 07-17-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

We heard about the coming socialism, sharia law, repeal of the second amendment and all sorts of other scary stuff in 08. It didn't happen. Now it's "wait till he wins a second term, THEN you'll see!!"
Just wait! Just wait!

And yet......
If Obama does get re-elected, and then this massive fundamental transformation that he promised comes about, people like you will be say, " What did you expect? Anyone could have connected the dots and seen clearly where he was going....."
Second-guessing is easy

elchivito · #15 07-17-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

And yet......
If Obama does get re-elected, and then this massive fundamental transformation that he promised comes about, people like you will be say, " What did you expect? Anyone could have connected the dots and seen clearly where he was going....."
Second-guessing is easy

Nope. Not me. To the best of my recollection I'm the only regular poster here who's called him a pussy. There won't be a massive fundamental transformation under Obama or anybody else. The wall st. maggots are still walking around free. Gitmo is open and thriving, the "healthcare" bill has thrown us a few little bones and thrown the insurance companies dry aged filet mignon. He's still a pussy. It's easy to pigeonhole anyone who's not a teabagger, isn't it?