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Old 07-16-2012, 10:31 PM
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look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.

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Old 07-16-2012, 10:37 PM
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Google it and let the comments roll.
Did Obama steal that from Elizabeth Warren?

Those comments made me think back to logging all the East Coast forests and all the immigrants that worked the mills, ran cattle, built railroads.....built an entire country.

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I know what he's trying to say, but he delivered it stupidly. If I were a self-made business leader, I would be, at the very least, insulted by those remarks. Modern infrastructure is a given today. Everyone expects running water, electricity, web access, roads, and cell phones. The statement that businesses are more indebted to these things than anyone else who uses them, without citing all the positives that businesses provide is a big campaign mistake.
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I know what he's trying to say, but he delivered it stupidly. If I were a self-made business leader, I would be, at the very least, insulted by those remarks. Modern infrastructure is a given today. Everyone expects running water, electricity, web access, roads, and cell phones. The statement that businesses are more indebted to these things than anyone else who uses them, without citing all the positives that businesses provide is a big campaign mistake.
The full remarks in context are not as damning. And as for modern infrastructure being a given, try running your startup in Ghana or Somalia. Modern infrastructure is not in place by accident.
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:26 PM
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The full remarks in context are not as damning. And as for modern infrastructure being a given, try running your startup in Ghana or Somalia. Modern infrastructure is not in place by accident.
Roads run past many businesses. Some of them are closed down. Roads are not the critical factor in determining success or failure.
His statement was a betrayal of his true feelings. They are not "right" or "wrong", they are just are what he truly feels. He does not understand capitalism, or entrepreneurs, although he THINKS he does.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:12 PM
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...Roads are not the critical factor in determining success or failure....
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His statement was a betrayal of his true feelings. ....
I suppose that's true. It is also true that Romney agrees with Obama on this point. In the same speech where he distorted Obama's statement, along the same lines it has been distorted in this thread, Romney conceded the obvious point that we can't have commerce without infrastructure. Do you disagree with that?
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Old 07-21-2012, 09:22 PM
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Who suggested otherwise?I suppose that's true. It is also true that Romney agrees with Obama on this point. In the same speech where he distorted Obama's statement, along the same lines it has been distorted in this thread, Romney conceded the obvious point that we can't have commerce without infrastructure. Do you disagree with that?
One of the democratic hacks said that if you have a business on a road, you didn't build the road. Implied is, "we" built the road, and "we" deserve credit for your success.

Infrastructure is far more important to the welfare of the country than we give budgetary consideration for. Its far sexier to cut a ribbon on a new commuter toll road than to replace failing gas, electric, water and sewer lines. Its the implication that "we" built that infrastructure that offends. Of course "we" built it, but the entrepreneur/ businessman invests far more that that in his business.
As has been said in other replies, everyone had the benefit of the same education ( more or less). It was available to all. But "all" did not appreciate it; "some" did. Some took advantage of the opportunities, and then applied a great deal of effort, and time and risk, and created a business that "all" failed to do. Should the "all" get the same benefit as the "some"? That, my friend is pure communism--from each.....to each. And that is a failed system; we do not need to try it again. It goes against human nature.
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The full remarks in context are not as damning. And as for modern infrastructure being a given, try running your startup in Ghana or Somalia. Modern infrastructure is not in place by accident.
The full remarks are not as damning, but damning none the less. Ghana has nothing to do with the conversation.
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Its a statement that has just barely enough truth to avoid being called a lie, but it demeans all those who are successful. It panders to all those who think they are smart, or ambitious, or hard-working yet haven't had that high a degree of success. It builds into that victim mentality that this administration wants its base to believe.
Conversely, the most liberating concept is that " I am where I am in my life exactly because of the choices I have made, and that by making better choices, I can make a better life."
All that "help" that Obama says came from others----most of it was funded by taxes that came from the people themselves--even the businesses that use the roads--ask any trucker what he pays to use those "public" roads.
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Its a statement that has just barely enough truth to avoid being called a lie, but it demeans all those who are successful. It panders to all those who think they are smart, or ambitious, or hard-working yet haven't had that high a degree of success. It builds into that victim mentality that this administration wants its base to believe.
Conversely, the most liberating concept is that " I am where I am in my life exactly because of the choices I have made, and that by making better choices, I can make a better life."
All that "help" that Obama says came from others----most of it was funded by taxes that came from the people themselves--even the businesses that use the roads--ask any trucker what he pays to use those "public" roads.

The worst part is that he is attempting to "dumb down America" with such comments. Making success a bad thing, removes motivation for many people. Why work when ol' B.O.'s gonna give me a check for doing nothing?

This is exactly what he wants. It plays right into his hands while he is trying to "fundamentally change America."

Jay Leno said last night that B.O. is running on the same strategy as last time, Hope. After four years B.O. STILL has us hoping.
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:53 AM
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Give me this day my daily FREE bread so that I don't have to get off my dead lazy a** and lift one finger. Thanks to your entitlement programs, I'm a moocher, not a producer.

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Old 07-17-2012, 12:19 PM
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Jay Leno said last night that B.O. is running on the same strategy as last time, Hope. After four years B.O. STILL has us hoping.
Please, leave "us" out of it, just speak for yourself.

The only hope (and yes, it was vestigial) I had last go-round was that he really wasn't another typical politician, but he's obliterated even that.

Truthfully, the only hope I have now is that he won't win another term.
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It was VERY telling about his philosophies as if we didn't already know them. It's just more clear evidence that he thinks government is the ONLY answer to all problems.

It was pretty insulting.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:28 AM
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It's not often he makes his points this poorly. He handed this one to you righties. Continue with your tizzy.
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