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compress ignite 07-25-2012 02:55 PM

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kerry 07-25-2012 03:17 PM

We saw Frontline last night. That mine sounds like a horrible idea.

MTUpower 07-26-2012 09:15 AM

I saw a TV show on it last night which also concluded the mine was a horrible idea and presented the topic with that slant. After watching the slanted laid out like a non slanted news program I did not like the mine. How much was me and how much was due to the slant I do not know; it was slanted.

Jim B. 07-26-2012 09:21 AM

"Drill, baby, drill!!"

~~~Sarah Palin

elchivito 07-26-2012 09:24 AM

Think of the JOBS. The JOBS!!

Jim B. 07-26-2012 09:29 AM

If you want a SALMON, just go *BUY* one in your local Safeway store!!

layback40 07-26-2012 09:44 AM

I thought Pebbles was the daughter of Fred & Wilma Flintstone.

spdrun 07-26-2012 09:47 AM

On the one hand, I can understand the environmental impact. On the other, if we're going to develop an electric/hydrogen economy, independent from earth-destroying oil, then we're going to need sources of cheap copper.

Mixed feelings here.

kerry 07-26-2012 10:00 AM

According to Frontline, there is no shortage of copper. Copper is readily available thru lots of other copper mines.

Dudesky 07-26-2012 10:05 AM

Forget about the salmon.
  • 80.6 billion lbs. of copper
  • 5.6 billion lbs. of molybdenum
  • 107.4 million oz. of gold
  • Commercially significant amounts of silver, rhenium and palladium

kerry 07-26-2012 10:38 AM

Minerals=non-renewable resource
Salmon=continual supply

spdrun 07-26-2012 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2980173)
According to Frontline, there is no shortage of copper. Copper is readily available thru lots of other copper mines.

Copper prices are already high. Going to electric for things like vehicles will raise them even more unless new sources are found.

Can't Know 07-26-2012 11:36 AM

But WHAT are they going to do about BAMM-BAMM???

elchivito 07-26-2012 12:40 PM

40K sq. mile watershed? One of the most pristine in the world? Largest salmon fishery anywhere? Giant open pit mine? I'm sure these mining companies have the best interests of the people of Alaska and their resources foremost in their plans.
What could possibly go wrong?

kerry 07-26-2012 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 2980199)
Copper prices are already high. Going to electric for things like vehicles will raise them even more unless new sources are found.

Is the high price a consequence of inadequate supply?

elchivito 07-26-2012 01:08 PM

China and Peru each produce about as much copper as the U.S. does. Chile produces about 3x as much and estimates of it's reserves have been upped recently. No other country comes close. Why are we selling scrap to asia? This seems short sighted at best. They're putting it back into electronics that end up in WalMart. Recycled scrap accounts for a significant portion of copper usage. Maybe we need to think about less harmful ways to satisfy our copper needs.

panZZer 07-26-2012 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dudesky (Post 2980177)
Forget about the salmon.
  • 80.6 billion lbs. of copper
  • 5.6 billion lbs. of molybdenum
  • 107.4 million oz. of gold
  • Commercially significant amounts of silver, rhenium and palladium


So-- YOU--re gonna benifit????

just like everyone has benifited from energy companies fracking mother earth. Leukemia--such a benifit!

Dudesky 07-26-2012 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panZZer (Post 2980440)
So-- YOU--re gonna benifit????

just like everyone has benifited from energy companies fracking mother earth. Leukemia--such a benifit!


Didn't say that.
Look at what's in the ground.
Local's want the jobs.
It's history.

Sooner or later it all comes out in the wash.

panZZer 07-26-2012 05:49 PM

Uhh--I heard EXACTLY the OPPOSITE. The locals want to continue LIVING, instead of selling out to lies about prospering --for a pittance of what theis big dirty , lieing conglomerate is offering --the ole carrot on a string line of BS to get what they want.

I dont think the natives there are Sucka's

Dudesky 07-26-2012 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panZZer (Post 2980459)
Uhh--I heard EXACTLY the OPPOSITE. The locals want to continue LIVING, instead of selling out to lies about prospering --for a pittance of what theis big dirty , lieing conglomerate is offering --the ole carrot on a string line of BS to get what they want.

I dont think the natives there are Sucka's

Two K's in sukka.

All that gold and copper......it's coming out of the ground.

panZZer 07-26-2012 06:26 PM

Naah.
The big ole bad EPA is gonna summarily execute this idiotic plan.

Dudesky 07-26-2012 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panZZer (Post 2980475)
Naah.
The big ole bad EPA is gonna summarily execute this idiotic plan.

107.4 million ounces of gold there................yeah, right.

Mitt gets in they're going to rape, pillage and plunder the pristine wilderness.

elchivito 07-26-2012 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dudesky (Post 2980485)
107.4 million ounces of gold there................yeah, right.

Mitt gets in they're going to rape, pillage and plunder the pristine wilderness.

You got an opinion about that one way or t'other?

I want to know how they arrived at the gold estimate. Especially the 0.4 million ounces part....I think I need whoever did that math to help with my whiskey dilemma.

Dudesky 07-26-2012 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 2980496)
You got an opinion about that one way or t'other?

I want to know how they arrived at the gold estimate. Especially the 0.4 million ounces part....I think I need whoever did that math to help with my whiskey dilemma.

I'd bet someone at Pebble Partnership LLC would be a good place to start.

Opinion?
Is there any other mining concerns in the area and how has it faired?

compress ignite 07-26-2012 11:14 PM

The Impact would be so great in Two different ways
 
1.Ecological Disaster
(AND going into this PP LLC is falsifying the study DATA.They know if they're
honest about this project,there's not a Snowball's Chance in Hell of Approval.)

2.The Precedent set for OTHER Ecological Disasters (AKA More Open Pits).

Everybody in the Basin who is dependent upon it's renewable resources got
together and ASKED the E.P.A. to use the Clean Water Act to stop this
Catastrophe.

HELL there's more than enough natural Mineral riches in Areas that are not
so Pristine.

AND we sure have more than a gracious plenty of Evil,Greedy,Rich, White,
Recidivists willing to destroy the Planet underneath our feet as we all live
on it.

(Where TF DO All these Darwin Award Winners plan for their grandchildren
to live? Newt's Moon Colony? )

The front man/CEO for Pebbles said the site would have to be monitored
for 10 to 15 THOUSAND years.
This Clown is actually suggesting the Inhabitants of the Valley and beyond
acquiesce to a Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads for 15K years ???

(Are they [Pebbles] gonna put up a bond to cover the costs AND reparations for
the Eventual Disaster BEFOREHAND???)

The people of Alaska would do better to just ask Vladimir have the FSB
Make Sky drops of slurry from Chernoble onto the Valley...Then they have
one last big Bear Hunt,Salmon fish... before they all start Glowing in the Dark.


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