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Maybe to some around here, but I doubt it.

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so, larry, if your wife/daughter/sister/aunt/niece etc. were to be raped - and impregnated - by some criminal, you would be perfectly happy to make the resultant offspring part of your family?

i have my doubts. (and, no, i don't wish such a fate on anyone. )

having known women who suffered the crime of rape, i can inform you that such a violation is never totally overcome. and, all these women did not give birth to their rapist's progeny. (thankfully. if they had been forced to, they would probably killed themselves long ago )

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No chance in the world he meant to say 'legitimate sex' is there?

No, legitmate sex does not work at all in his quoted comment. His intention from my perspective seems to be to say that the female body will reject impregnation via a rapist vs consenual. Id love to see the science that backs that up. It was nothing more than an idiotic, off the cuff remark, but it betrays such a lack of understanding of reality, that its pretty telling

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The right has/is trying to make it illegal as Ryan and Akins have shown. Numerous states in the bible belt have already made it extremely difficult (if not impossible) to end an unwanted pregnancy.

Being legally prohibited from ending an unwanted pregnancy is preventing a woman from doing what she wants with her body.

So since you want to prevent a woman from murdering her fetus, will you pay to raise the child with your taxes?

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Akin should just lay back and enjoy the publicity.

Nothing he can do about it now!

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Yes there is, he could quit in disgrace,

*OR* ,

ask to be the ideological spokesman for "conservative" Republicans, as he appears to be the perfect representation of everything they stand for.

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It's hard to imagine that intelligent people, in an apparently enlightened coutry such as the USA, would even think to have such conversations as this, but here it is. Not that talking about these things are wrong, it's more like being there, over and over again.

I'm not saying that this country is any better but the PM recently said that he would not open up the abortion debate to a private members bill, and that Canadians don't want it opened up. We also settled the gay marriage thing a few years back with really little or no fanfare. And it's a done deal.

Do right wing religious groups want it back on the burner? Hell yes, but we tend not to pander to religion here. Maybe to Quebec by times but not this sort of emotional, time waisting, retoric. ( not here, I mean in the public arena )

The most right wing Province in our Confederation would be Alberta and they're not that interested either. Of course, we don't have vast areas of the country under religious domination, politicaly speaking, either by State or region, so there's far fewer voters to push these agendas.

Some people tend to like politics here but for the most part it's left to politicians. Why does everything seem to boil down to politics in the US? I'm not trying to be critical here but as someone who watches from afar, it seems to me that a whole lot of energy gets expended over often very little things. I understand the importance of these issues but find it hard to comprehend the evel of ( shall I use the word ? ) hatred that both, or either side, shows towards the other.

To be honest, you may find this here in what I'd call spot issues but they tend not to last that long and it's generally by a small segment of the population. However, you won't see anyone blowing someone away because they're a Conservative, Liberal, NDP or whatever. We may not like them or their policys but they are generally tollerated. Even the seperatist party in Quebec ( which I'm sure the average hoser has little or no use for ) held seats in Parlament. In the US they would have been tried for treason.

Interesting how different we are and yet how similar we are at the same time. I wouldn't want anyone else living this close to me though.

Here's another silver-tongued devil: Michael Baumgartner, Washington GOP Senate Candidate, Admits Telling Reporter To 'Go F--- Yourself'

OTOH,
How much will any of these social issues impact voters? Is there anyone who votes social issues, who doesn't know how they will vote? I cannot imaging a single voter who will change their vote based on what anyone might say.
This discussion only diverts from the real issue--the economy. If yesterday's CBO projections mean anything, we need radical ( meaning non-Obama) changes or we are in deep doo doo. ( Pardon the economic jargon.) If taxes go up, then unemployment goes up and we all suffer.

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I believe there are multitudes of people whose vote can be swayed by social issues.
And why is the 'real issue' the economy? Because that is what's most important to you? or the Romney campaign?
Everyone has their own hierarchy of important political issues, and not all of them are economic.
I believe the the republican talking points regarding the economy are their best guess for trying to unseat Obama.
If they thought they could beat him by focusing on dancing ponies, Romney would be wearing spurs.


What kind of taxes cause increased unemployment? Do you have any basis for this statement?

So we cut taxes on the wealthy and then our economy magically recovers? And us middle class slobs pick up the tab again.... no thanks.
Smoke and mirrors. It will give more money to the wealthiest, do nothing for the poorest, and poke the middle right in the seat...

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I am guessing that you have not sen the CBO projection--it was just released.
My last statement was a summary of that report. It was not meant as cause & effect--just 2 results as the CBO sees it.
You may choose to not believe it.

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Of COURSE it's a diversion. The MSM is only too happy to overemphasize ANYTHING THEY CAN, in order to divert attention away from B.O.'s miserable economic failure.

It's working too. You can get ready for four more years of B.O., that is if the country lasts that long before going over the cliff into total pandamonium. Exactly what B.O. wants, so that he could build the new country out of the ashes in his own image.

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