If the young man has turned to occasional drug use, I could well understand why in this circumstance - as aklim would say, that's one hell of a mindfawk to deal with - and then the situation with the family in his house taking advantage of him as well - crushing is indeed an apt description of the situation.

From your description, if the young man is legit, there's already warning signs he's at the end of the rope - if the accounts of his not showing up to perform jobs or show up at arranged job interviews are legit, along with the possible drug use.

As was said, sounds like most of all this young man needs someone to talk to and counsel him, to keep him from falling into a black hole of his own making.

May you be granted the wisdom to make the correct decisions in this.

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You're a good man William.

I still feel you were not taken. Yet there are a few spins present at the same time it seems. There is an old saying that is true unfortunatly.

You cannot really help a person that will not really try to help themselves. Guys that really care cannot cure all the ills.

The major issue is that a caring individual can be drawn in to a mess. Some people unfortunatly exist in a totally disfunctional way. Drugs being involved as well is a red flag.

I have always felt that whatever it takes to keep drugs from being available to the general public should be done. This from simply observing the terrible results I have observed from there usage over the years.

Sigh, here we go.

1. You can't legislate morality.
2. Prohibition doesn't work. Drugs are everywhere.
3. Prohibition is a gift of riches to gangsters, corrupt gov't officials, banks, and politicians.
4. Even if 2 and 3 were false, What gives government the right to save a person from his choices?

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Oh I certainly agree with you. My concept is very simple. From the resultant damages I have observed. Simply make the penalties so serious for importers and distributors of illicit drugs equally destructive and the problem stops.

Some things have to be based on other than individual rights. Perhaps societies rights for example must be considered. What I have found particularily disturbing is that various claims are it is too large a portion of the general economy to do away with.

The true price of it to general society is just gotten too large to ignore. Unchecked the expansion of the welfare roles will become unsustainable is possible.

Thats if unchecked growth of general drug usage continues. Fight in Afganistan so their product can be distributed in north america? Spend billions paying lip service to the problem? Overall amounts to you and me paying part of the drug bill.

We've given prohibition a good long try. Thrown good money after bad. Drug use persists. Your suggestion sounds simple and well intentioned. I've been to countries where drug laws are as you describe. Those countries usually have fewer illegal drugs, but drug usage still exists; and apart from the lessened influence of illegal drugs, they aren't places I'd like to live. Furthermore, our prisons are already overcrowded with both violent and non-violent offenders. The US has more people imprisoned than any other so-called "free" country. Prisons are very costly, and don't work very well.
What right does society have to dictate the individual moral conduct of its members?

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"your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins" Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

It is a large part of the general economy. Although, I agree that's no good reason to condone any sort of crime.
I agree, if you're talking about the costs of the Drug War. I don't see the connection to welfare expansion. Can you explain how you managed to connect the two?
What growth of drug usage? Drug usage is widespread, it always has been.
Agreed, it's a farce. Let's legalize most of the recreational drugs. Use the money we spent on drug law enforcement for treatment. Portugal did it and found that drug use went down.

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I think you did right. If he is a con man, you will know before long. If he's not, you might be offering just the helping hand that he needs.

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As far as I know, Nixon was the last one who TRIED to do this, but got shot down so bad by the liberals that he nor anyone else has ever brought it up again.

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Exactly how I feel; I called him yesterday and we spoke for about 15 minutes. I tried to listen more than talk. I let him know without specifics that I will help him, do my best to guide and council him and give him the extra hand he needs to pull himself up. I learned early in life that bad stuff happens to good people and it takes a village. I also let him know that I'm more in favor of people helping people not governments helping people- and it's all of our responsibility to do what we can. Now that this is front of me it is a gift.

Good luck with him. He is very fortunate to have ridden up to your door. I hope he does well with a little help.

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Yeah... that will not work, has been proven not to work. If you take away all the good illegal drugs, people will make their own out of brake fluid and cough syrup.
Krokodil: The drug that eats junkies - Europe - World - The Independent

And.... who is going to pay for their incarceration? I believe we have run out of space in our prison system because we throw all the drug users in there...

Nixon and Reagan both pursued anti-drug laws which greatly increased the federal inmate population.

Insanity is continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results, and as such, I believe your suggestion to be insane.

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What I see is drugs can get hold of vunerable people and make them fundementally unemployable and socially disfunctional. We are not talking about the occassional weed or other usage. These people if their criminal acts are not enough to sustain them will usually land up on one system or another. If they are punished for their criminal activity that can be a very expensive path for society to bear as well.

Their children may pick it up by observation of the parent or parents. Certain types of personalities seem to be far more subject to becoming self abusive with drug use.

The question to me is besides the increased crime that may result and waste of life that may be the individuals choice. With serious addiction. Serious users will land up being supported one way or another by society at some point. Most addicts I have seen have no functional concience left.

I guess what I personally dislike the most is the personality changes like stealing from their families and others to enable the issue. Plus those families trying to cope with the additional loading the addict in their family presents.. . Their free choice so to speak will be negativly impacting others. You have to draw the line there at least in my opinion.

At the same time as you mention basically we do not live in an ideal utopian world. The last issue is that it may be a growth behaviour for the times ahead but that is also not written in stone either.

No doubt you are basically right as far as reality goes. The waste of lives will continue at enourmous cost to society is almost a certainty. My original concept is too simple and still is..

Basically it is if you are involved seriously in destroying peoples lives. Even though it is a self choice partially by the individuals being destroyed as is expressed. You simply forfeit yours as well. After a trial of course.

Severe certainly yet if you look at what is happening it is just as severe to a society to let the problem exist. A lot of jobs are at stake though.

Or if the current situation is as it is and growing they might as well legalise it and tax it to death. That way at least some of the resultant costs of this behaviour might be recoverable. I am not a user but am fairly certain I can locate a supplier to meet whatever my needs are if desired with little difficuty.

A major distributor lived pretty extravently two doors away from us at one time. Income tax eventually took him down. Took everything he had basically. This was a good thing as he had grown large enough he personally did not dirty his hands in the day to day operations.

I had felt he had grown to the point of being almost immune from the legal justice system. His downfall may have been eventually he started using his own stuff. Or it was a major contributor to it. He may have had millions of dollars in assets and cash but had absolutly no concience. His networks even reached into the school systems I was told.

I freely admit that there is some bias present with me. I see and deal with many personalities in adolecents that are borderline sociopathic or have other personality disorders. The majority of them will land up as heavy drug users. This usage is enough to take too high a percentage of them all the way down in their already present marginal disorders. This removes almost any chance of them changing or adjusting their personalities as time goes by. A lot of these individuals will climb out of their difficulties eventually but it takes time. Drug use tends to either extend the period required or mitigate it totally.