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davidmash 12-16-2012 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3067214)
We did...there are reports from NBC that claim he tried to get a rifle at a Dick's Sporting Goods store three days prior to the shooting, but was turned away. He was turned away because he refused to follow the mandatory waiting period or undergo a background check.

Don't you understand?? Gun control laws only work with the lawful, not the outlaws. Enacting more stringent laws would only succeed in creating more lawbreakers out of normally lawful gun owners.

There will always be exceptions. Perhaps if the guns were locked up he would not have gained access to them. Perhaps if the mother would have faced consequences had it been found out her kid had so issues and she had guns in the house the guns.

No system is perfect. The one we have obviously is not. You have yet to present any ideas of your own to help deal with the issue.

MagnumPI 12-16-2012 06:03 PM

Ban guns for anyone but the military, put all schools under control of the military, establish dorm rooms for the kids to curb weapons entering the compound. They aren't my kids, if you want zero sum, then aim for zero. Enough of this compromise BS.

davidmash 12-16-2012 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 3067227)
If you outlawed all firearms tomorrow, and made people turn theirs in.

In 6 months if I wanted to kill someone I could still go to the right person, hand over a wad of cash, get a Glock, and shoot **** up.

No system is perfect and no system will work or night. Any regulations applies will take generations to take effect.

To say that it cannot be stopped is overly simplistic IMO. we have over 9,000 gun homicides every year. To say this is acceptable and the way things are where there are countless who's murder rates are far far lower is proof that at the very least the problem can be addressed. Not eliminated but at the very least reduced.

Txjake 12-16-2012 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky (Post 3067020)
New town ct is classic small town america. I've been there a few times. Its the kind of place you drive to to buy a christmas tree and some cuisine at a nice cosy tavern or to stroll in a little new england colonial town in the fall. Chances are the door to your house is unlocked if you live there.
My mother some years back bought her dog from a breeder there for petes sake. It is the LAST place where something like this hell could be expected. Its the type of ittle town you move to to get away from the dangers of the big city.

Its not mexico city.

If the loonys goddam mother hadn't had no less than three firearms and plenty of ammo, and had to resort to some other method when the impulse struck. Maybe a busload of little kids and teachers wouldn't be dead right now.

I bet that any banks in New Town have armed guards. Why should schools be any different, considering the human capital stored there? Are they no less valuable than our deposits? A few years ago, I might not has recommended this, but the nutcases are out there.

Txjake 12-16-2012 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3067039)
May be they wished he never had access to the guns in the first place. I know that is what I wish.

I was robbed at gun point back in 89. I wish they never had access to the guns. I never have wanted a gun, had a gun or want one in the future.

Then I would say that you are a person with no real survival instinct. Not a bad person, but certainly a person who will not save themselves by means that remove the threat.

Pray to whatever you believe in every night to the humans out there who will do what it takes to keep people like you safe, at least most of the time.

Txjake 12-16-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3067043)
The armed guards I am aware of in Mexican schools are private security hired to protect rich kids in private schools. Kidnapping these kids is a cottage industry. No government funds involved. Poor government run schools? Not so much.

thats not what I saw in Mexico City last week. National Police at public schools, protecting children.

To others....
No fortresses, just a guy with a gun, protecting the helpless is what I am advocating here, it's pretty simple to see if you take off your blinders...

Txjake 12-16-2012 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3067045)
I know a teacher in a gang infested high school in Phoenix who carries at work after being threatened. She reported it numerous times to no consequence. The girls who threatened her now know through the grapevine that she is packing and they've decided not to mess with her. She's my cousin. A gulf war vet to boot.

thank you. this supports my argument for somebody being armed at school...

Txjake 12-16-2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3067057)
Yup. My district some years ago made a deal with the county to put resource officers in all 5 schools. They showed up for the first couple of weeks and made themselves highly visible on campus, not as guards so much as making real contact with the kids. Ultimately, every time one was really needed, the county had pulled them off campus as they were needed elsewhere to fill in for short staff. Nice idea, but what LE organization is well funded enough to spare the officers on a guaranteed full time basis?

If not cops, private armed security, trained well and with the authority to use lethal force on an attacker.

pay for it by siphoning some of th eridiculous amount of money spent on sports programs, or "tax" college sport program cash cows. Who could argue against protecting the future?

pj67coll 12-16-2012 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3067112)
When I posted the first few paragraphs I wondered if it would give that impression to someone who didn't take time to read the whole post. Read the link. This is more than just a mouthy kid. A good 40s style lickin' is not what this boy needs.

Actually no, I did read the whole thing. And I happen to have a lot more experience with this type of problem "childhood bipolar disorder" than you might realize. And precisely because of that I question the actions of the mother, heartfelt though they might be, and the uselessness of the "system" with it's shrinks, pills and "enlightened" actions.

And once again this merely reinforces my earlier comments about why this sort of thing did not happen in earlier generations. Obviously something has changed and it is very definitely NOT an increase in access of the citizenry to guns which were a hell of a lot easier for Americans to acquire in the 40's and 50's for example than they are now.

- Peter.

cmbdiesel 12-16-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 3067225)
Sadly sometimes horrible things happen to good and innocent people. More sadly their is no way to really prevent it from ever happening again.

If a DB wants to do damage to innocents, they can be amazingly creative.

In this case it sounds like CT's existing firearm laws worked fine, they prevented him from legally having a firearm. He had to steal and in the process kill his mother to arm himself.

Failing that he could have just made a trip to Bridgeport, Hartford, or New Haven and bought a weapon.


This. This is the biggest part of the problem. Where do these guns come from? Who originally bought that gun being sold on the street? Why can't we dry up that supply line? Why don't the responsible gun owners out there GAS about these things?

CT's existing laws did what they could, but in the end, the mother proved to be an irresponsible gun owner, bless her soul. How do we combat the irresponsible people who are allowed to purchase weapons to which they show no respect?

pj67coll 12-16-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3067106)
Three kids. I have a sister and brother. Most of my friends wee raised just as I was. Perhaps it more of a comment on parenting skills.

I'd suggest more likely luck. Your parents and your friends parents had kids who were not ****ups.

- Peter.

Txjake 12-16-2012 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3067112)
When I posted the first few paragraphs I wondered if it would give that impression to someone who didn't take time to read the whole post. Read the link. This is more than just a mouthy kid. A good 40s style lickin' is not what this boy needs.

true. I was going to link that here until I saw that you did. The kid is going to kill one day, unless society is protected against him. The answer? Don't know, but people like that can't just be allowed to run around loose.

Txjake 12-16-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 3067252)
This. This is the biggest part of the problem. Where do these guns come from? Who originally bought that gun being sold on the street? Why can't we dry up that supply line? Why don't the responsible gun owners out there GAS about these things?

CT's existing laws did what they could, but in the end, the mother proved to be an irresponsible gun owner, bless her soul. How do we combat the irresponsible people who are allowed to purchase weapons to which they show no respect?

How was she irresponsible? Do you have evidence that shows the Lanza boy ever exhibited dangerous behavior before? :confused:

MTI 12-16-2012 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 3067260)
How was she irresponsible? Do you have evidence that shows the Lanza boy ever exhibited dangerous behavior before? :confused:

So, one could leave a barn door always open until you see the horse leavin . . .? :D

jplinville 12-16-2012 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3067231)
There will always be exceptions. Perhaps if the guns were locked up he would not have gained access to them. Perhaps if the mother would have faced consequences had it been found out her kid had so issues and she had guns in the house the guns.

No system is perfect. The one we have obviously is not. You have yet to present any ideas of your own to help deal with the issue.

How hard would it have been to stab his mother, take her keys, and get the guns out of the safe? Pretty damned easy.

Hve you ever broken into a small safe before?? I have broken into 6 of them this year...really easy to do. I had to break into a small handgun safe in July of this year, and didn't even break a sweat doing it.

You won't get a suggestion out of me because there is nothing that could have stopped this guy. He wasn't wired right, and because of his mental issues, he became a murderer...NOT because of guns. Given enough desire to kill, anyone is capable of anything, period. Taking guns out of the equation does nothing to stem that thirst, when there are other tools just as deadly available.

I'll give this as a suggestion...allow armed security at the schools. Heck, even a guard with a Taser would have been an improvement over what they had as security.


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