:laughing: If you actually knew what you were talking about it might be funny.

You might want to go back and read the title of this thread. When you do, if you find the part requesting a solution, please share your clairvoyance with the rest of us. :laughing:

GOOD FOR THEM! Maybe if that kinda thing happens enough those scumbags will stop trying

When is the appropriate time ?

Why is now not appropriate?

Who decides when it is appropriate?

I dont think there is any required "wait time" for discussion possible solutions/actions to problems of this magnitude.

I dont think by any stretch that Larry would point the finger at his favorite politician and his fearless leader, BO. ;)

Until it doesn't work. Until the first armed teacher gets shot anyway through total surprise, then its the next step


I don't. I however see them as so wedded to a single interpretation of the 2nd, that they will refuse to consider a large number of minor adjustments which simply make good sense and do not infringe rights of ownership. Cmbdiesel has posted several of them.


Most of these mass shootings are quick. These guys get in, do the biggest amount of damage possible, then off themselves. I still think even a teacher based reaction squad would be too slow to force an issue, and always be surprised, meaning some if not most would go down.

I haven't proposed eliminating the amendment, only updating it and making certain things either impossible or harder to get. Big difference in what you are attributing to me.

Pipe dreams. The teachers are state employees, which for this reaction squad you propose would probably end up with police or military training, which limits their utility as a teacher 100fold. Teaching has been described to me by multiple teachers as one of the hardest professions there are, my own sister after teaching for 3 years said that law school was actually easier, so consider what you are assuming would be an extra easy to bear load on already over worked public employees.
The only way it would work is dedicated "teachers" who are really security professionals.

All I can do is look at the data and draw conclusions from the facts presented. Easy enough to claim statistical data is flawed because of an unmeasurable, unverifiable, and un stated secret record of thousands of incidents that you are sure, makes the statistics tip in your favor.


I partially agree, I believe gun free zones to also be a pipe dream, though I do not believe the answer is to dump more guns into gun free zones.

well, I do do this thing called look up facts and documentation that I find compelling and what others have posted, then try and form my opinion around what the information tells me, unless in this circumstance, I already have an opinion as we all do, and think its time to act instead of wringing our hands and saying its impossible.

I guess thats pretty short of, as so well stated by others, not reading what I wrote, not reading whats linked, not reading what you wrote, and not reading in general.

In the world of foggy interpretation of barely perceived hype and emotional vulnerability, I guess the logical conclusions would always be the same, that black guy in the white house.

Since you read everything so closely, PLEASE show me where I have directly blamed what this nut did in Connecticutt on anyone in Washington DC....... I'm waiting..........

Look up the definition of "infringe". Everything you propose infringes on the right to keep and bear arms. What you consider "adjustments" are actually infringements.

The idea of arming teachers is out. One word-- LIABILITY...

My wife is a middle school teacher. She is also deadly with a 1911a1.
The regs teachers have these days is crazy. I have a buddy who teaches educational law (at a doctoral level), some of the rules within the school systems are crazy. The inmates run the asylum....

Interesting take on the similarities between rampage killers and suicide bombers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opinion/what-drives-suicidal-mass-killers.html?_r=0

Sure are alot of discharged GI's out there needing jobs. There are all sorts of things that they could be doing at schools in the way of maintenance or other things while at the same time providing a qualified armed person on the premises.

So many of these schools have no problem coming up with millions of dollars for football fields. Surely they can come up with a years salary for a qualified armed worker.

Just sayin'

I believe every right we have has certain limitations. The rights are still there.

i just want the weapons tracked from person to person with a title of ownership. I want all weapons not in use to be secured in a certified safe. If your gun is used in the commission of a crime you better have a dam goo reason why it is no longer in your possession. If your safe was not blown open or you were not mugged, well, you just might be facing some serious problems.

If these things infringe on your rights... oh well. I think the fact that any moron can get a gun with out so much as a how do you do infringes on my right to freedom and happiness.

Most of the so called solutions here are to go into effect once the walls gave been breached and there is no fall back position. That's all fine and dandy. The problem I see with all this is no one bothered to build the wall. Right now there are bunch of stick out there that any one can walk through. No one is trying top limit or prevent the bad guys from continuing to obtain weapons. No one is talking about a requirement for a back ground check for any weapon sold. Making sure weapons are secure.... etc.

By the time the gunman is in the building the risk of someone getting hurt increases exponentially. How about we try and prevent the guy from getting a gun in the first place?

So then who gets to decide what is a legitimate infringement? You?:confused:

Basically anything that is done will be an infringement in one way or another.

I suppose in this case, should some bill be created, the a majority of votes in:

The House
The Senate

ANDDDDD

wait for it

wait for it

The President, BARACK OBAMA.

There it is.

Obama is now in the thread.

You seem to be an advocate of popular votes on other peoples rights.... lets give it a shot.