Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3069007)

I have a problem with making laws so that people can be arrested who otherwise were doing no harm. That's a police state.

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 3069060)

You must hate speed limits....;)

Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3068959)

As the saying goes, "Locks don't keep people out, they only keep honest people honest". Laws, regulations and punishment only keep honest and law abiding people, honest and law abiding.

Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3068965)

How are you going to implement this? How are you going to make sure everyone has gun safes and that is the only place they keep their guns?

Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3069066)

That does not seem to make any sense. If laws etc are the only thing that keep s law abiding people law abiding then in reality they are not law abiding people because only the laws are doing it so then law ... are making crooks obey the law. Good people do not need laws to tell them what is god or bad. Only bad people would need that. If the laws etc disappeared the bad people would run amok far more so then they already are. Stands to reason that if the laws are keeping bad people in check then more stringent laws might do a better job.

Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3068965)

How are you going to implement this? How are you going to make sure everyone has gun safes and that is the only place they keep their guns?

Again, most of my guns are in a safe, but two are loaded at all times and easily accessible to anyone in my immediate family. They are to be used in a case of home defense only, and those that live in my home know their location as well as how to use them properly. I refuse to keep ALL of my weapons in a safe.

Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3068966)

This slope argument is so tiresome. There's NO evidence for it. When the assault weapons ban was put into place, the nutjobs were just sure it was the end of 2A rights. The slippery slope argument was the first thing out of their big mouths. If it's a slope, it must be REALLY GRADUAL. Gimme a break already.

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 3069054)

I do not believe this boilerplate argument fits the discussion we have been having here. That argument is for a different set of people with different ideas.
And the slope business is so completely hackneyed as to be laughable



One could just as easily argue that the RWNJ gun freaks leap out within seconds of a tragedy screaming "GUN GRABBERS!!!!!!" Happens every time.
They trot out their numbers which show that our murder rates are declining, and have been for years, without mentioning that they are still heads and tails higher than any other civilized country.
Cutting and pasting the dictionary.com definition of 'infringe', all the while suggesting that other people must suffer restrictions on their freedoms because the 2nd shall never be restricted. (unlike restrictions on the 1st and 4th which a vast majority of citizens accept as reasonable and responsible.)



The foundation is eroding, it needs shoring up.
Again, how can you accept restrictions on some rights but not others? Because it directly impacts your toys?????
Anyone who kills others is a thief.




Get real. You shouldn't be posting or reading this, you should be out helping the families.



No it isn't. It is responsible government.
You do realize that amendments can be repealed?
Keep taking the hard line, and that may be on our horizon.



I don't know, but whoever it is, is likely a DB.

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3069073)

I would say that it is a balance. You and Walgamuth are correct in that a network of laws, tightly enforced, offers the greatest possible security.

The most free people have very poor security, indeed. They must provide their own.

Somewhere between is probably where we all wish to be.

For me, making laws to catch people doing something who have not harmed anybody is an infringement. I completely understand that mine is a minority view and I accept that.

But it doesn't change my belief or opinion nor does it infringe (yet) on my belief that I should articulate what I believe, even when it is unpopular.

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3069077)

Few tools are more useless than a gun locked in a safe.

It's like having the police only minutes away.

Gee, thanks.

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3069083)

Yeah, because the gov always has our best interest at heart, we should trust the gov.

Ignore history.