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elchivito · #46 04-23-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

What does the rifling have to do with lead?

- Peter.

i mis-wrote octagonal, obviously it's polygonal. Anyway, Glock advises against shooting bare cast lead bullets in their stock barrels. The rifling is prone to increased leading from bare bullets. There's also the issue of the abrupt change from chamber to rifling in Glock barrels, another place, and a particularly not nice place, for excess lead buildup.
There is a brisk business in selling change-out barrels for Glocks to allow reloaders to safely shoot cast lead through them. I have a friend who thinks this is nonsense and shoots hot .40 reloads in his stock Glock. The number of alarmingly bulged cases that thing throws out gives me the willies.

Air&Road · #47 04-23-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

i mis-wrote octagonal, obviously it's polygonal. Anyway, Glock advises against shooting bare cast lead bullets in their stock barrels. The rifling is prone to increased leading from bare bullets. There's also the issue of the abrupt change from chamber to rifling in Glock barrels, another place, and a particularly not nice place, for excess lead buildup.
There is a brisk business in selling change-out barrels for Glocks to allow reloaders to safely shoot cast lead through them. I have a friend who thinks this is nonsense and shoots hot .40 reloads in his stock Glock. The number of alarmingly bulged cases that thing throws out gives me the willies.

It amazes and scares me to look at some of the apparantly uninspected brass that you can pick up around a range. I haven't frequented the ranges much since I've moved to the boonies, but when I did, all I could do was HOPE that someone had looked at it before throwing it on the ground. I suspect that it hit the ground and they never DID look at it.

elchivito · #48 04-23-2013, 12:54 PM

Physically examining every spent case gives a whole lot of insight into what's going on inside the weapon. Factory ammo shooters who walk away from their brass aren't tipped to any upcoming malfunctions.

cixelsyD · #49 04-23-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

The number of alarmingly bulged cases that thing throws out gives me the willies.

...it's why I got rid of my Glock 20 in 10mm. Love the round, but not the look of some of the brass that thing started ejecting after 12 years and about 100,000 rounds.

elchivito · #50 04-23-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cixelsyD

...it's why I got rid of my Glock 20 in 10mm. Love the round, but not the look of some of the brass that thing started ejecting after 12 years and about 100,000 rounds.

The only kaboom I've ever had was years ago, what I believe to be a double charged .45 in a 1911. The rubber bottom of the magazine blew out straight down. No damage to me or the pistol, other than soaked BVDs. Low pressure rules.

10mm factory loads in excess of 50K psi. Plastic pistol. What could possibly go wrong?

pj67coll · #51 04-23-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

The cost (not value) of guns such as the AK, Mosin, AR, and other military rifles have damn near doubled since December of last year. Buying one now as an investment would be insane...because the bubble will burst, and the market will be flooded with these once again, as long as DC backs off of the gun control legislation.

I hope you're right, but I'm afraid you are not. I think that the whole Anti-2n'd movement will keep festering and flaring up enough that the market will not return to normal as supply is going to remain behind demand for the forseeable future. In other words I think stupidly inflated prices might be the new normal.

- Peter.

aklim · #52 04-23-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

i mis-wrote octagonal, obviously it's polygonal. Anyway, Glock advises against shooting bare cast lead bullets in their stock barrels. The rifling is prone to increased leading from bare bullets. There's also the issue of the abrupt change from chamber to rifling in Glock barrels, another place, and a particularly not nice place, for excess lead buildup.
There is a brisk business in selling change-out barrels for Glocks to allow reloaders to safely shoot cast lead through them. I have a friend who thinks this is nonsense and shoots hot .40 reloads in his stock Glock. The number of alarmingly bulged cases that thing throws out gives me the willies.

Correct. I used to shoot reloads out of my Glock. However, there were some lead bullets that COULD be shot out of them if you so desire according to some of the forums. Tried them and no real fouling issues. I had to shoot them because the range will NOT allow ANY copper on the bullet. Even if you were shooting 22LR you cannot do it. OTOH, you can shoot a 454 Casull if it is cast. Go figure.

jplinville · #53 04-23-2013, 02:39 PM

I thought most .40 casings were bulged after firing...the guys on the S&W boards talk about it often.

Air&Road · #54 04-23-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

The only kaboom I've ever had was years ago, what I believe to be a double charged .45 in a 1911. The rubber bottom of the magazine blew out straight down. No damage to me or the pistol, other than soaked BVDs. Low pressure rules.

10mm factory loads in excess of 50K psi. Plastic pistol. What could possibly go wrong?

I too fired a double charged load in a 1911 one time. My reaction was the same. Scared the daylights out of me, but there were no other problems. Made for a proof load I suppose.

aklim · #55 04-23-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

I thought most .40 casings were bulged after firing...the guys on the S&W boards talk about it often.

Mine bulge from the standpoint that it expands after firing when you put it in the die.

Air&Road · #56 04-23-2013, 03:05 PM

Is the .40 S&W a rimmed case?

cixelsyD · #57 04-23-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Is the .40 S&W a rimmed case?

I think it's called "semi-rimmed".

pj67coll · #58 04-23-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Correct. I used to shoot reloads out of my Glock. However, there were some lead bullets that COULD be shot out of them if you so desire according to some of the forums. Tried them and no real fouling issues. I had to shoot them because the range will NOT allow ANY copper on the bullet. Even if you were shooting 22LR you cannot do it. OTOH, you can shoot a 454 Casull if it is cast. Go figure.

Why do they object to copper?

- Peter.

aklim · #59 04-23-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Why do they object to copper?

- Peter.

This was before I joined so I am not 100% sure. However, the answer I got was that some yahoos shot a Thompson Contender with a 30-06 cartridge in the indoors range. They have steel plating and not armor plating and it penetrated so they want to make sure all pistols are using lead ammunition so as not to penetrate the steel plate. No rifles larger than 22 cal and no copper is the rule for indoor range. At the 25, 50 and 100 yard outdoor range, fire whatever you want. Pistol range aka indoor range, the bullet CANNOT have copper.

jplinville · #60 04-23-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Why do they object to copper?

- Peter.

Probably because the the back stop construction. I've seen many ranges ban anything other than lead as a projectile because of this. My club allows it at the outdoor range, but not the indoor...because of the backdrop.