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Old 05-13-2013, 03:21 PM
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I agree with the e28 BMW. I picked mine up for $1495 back in the late 1990s and put 100k+ on her before her computer went and it was too expensive to fix.

The Diesel (524TD) ones are VERY Slow and have timing belts.
The 528e is their gasoline fuel sipper, but it is still a BMW straight six, which is a very smooth and sweet engine. The bodies are the best looking BMWs in my opinion too. They handle great, but they are as hard to work on as an R107 - lots of things to work on - very little space. Your W123 engine bay will look enormous in comparison.

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Old 05-13-2013, 04:11 PM
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I would also look for a Volvo 240/740. These cars also hit very high miles and (admittedly not primarily) came with both 4-speed w/overdrive unit and 5-speed manuals.

I thought we had slim pickings here in MA, but I tried searching on CLs near you and got nothing!
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Old 05-13-2013, 04:12 PM
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Good luck finding a clean E30 cheap. Good luck finding any BMW cheap that won't break you out of house and home.

Volvo 240 is what springs to my mind. The next best thing to a 123. They have a great 4 speed with an electronic overdrive.

Miata if you don't mind sacrificing practicality for fun.

3.8 V6 Camaro or Firebird. 20 city 30 highway. Great engine and a fun, simple chassis.

Its more do-able out here than you think - seen quite a few 90/91s for ~$4k
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:19 PM
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Crown Vics are OK, but the ones with carbs are terrible to keep running and the FI ones are a days work if/when the fuel pump goes out. It is in the tank, but there is no access hole to get to it so you have to pull the tank out (almost).

But parts are cheap, and you can get up to 23 mpg!

But the first thing you will notice... They are no Mercedes 123.
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:52 PM
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My 300D got rearended a few weeks ago and the insurance company is still messing about waiting for police reports. The current plan is to repair it and continue driving it for many more years. However, it occured to me that the damage may be worse than it looks and it may be necessary to replace it instead of repairing. I've been looking at possible replacements on craigslist and results haven't been too encouraging. I've been looking at Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, and VW in the 4000 and under range. My criteria are: rear drive, manual transmission, and fuel economy in the low 20's or higher. I'd prefer a diesel engine, but could go spark ignited if no good diesel options appear. I'd also prefer to stay away from carburetors. Reliablility, maintainability, and durability would be nice as well. Suggestions?

Also, [rant] why do people not specify in their ads whether the car for sale has a manual or an automatic transmission? That's kind of important to a lot of buyers.[/rant]
I would get another W123 diesel.

For the life of me, I cannot explain why some are suggesting you buy an old Chevy or Ford Crown Vic?!

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I used to have a Lincoln Town Car, built on the same Panther platform as the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis. It was inexpensive to buy, inexpensive on parts, and generally easy to work on (except for that time I had to replace the heater core). However, the Panther platform was never offered with a manual transmission, and I averaged 18 mpg over the 60,000 miles I put on the Town Car.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:20 PM
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I used to have a Lincoln Town Car, built on the same Panther platform as the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis. It was inexpensive to buy, inexpensive on parts, and generally easy to work on (except for that time I had to replace the heater core). However, the Panther platform was never offered with a manual transmission, and I averaged 18 mpg over the 60,000 miles I put on the Town Car.
18 mpg sounds respectable for any old Lincoln Town Car. Heater core went out on mine too.
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:54 AM
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For the life of me, I cannot explain why some are suggesting you buy an old Chevy or Ford Crown Vic?!
Roger that. It's one thing to make the comparison when the cars were new. Mercedes were 2 or 3x the price comparable Chevy or Ford, for good reason. But now we are talking about cars that are a grand or two. The discount from new price is clearly in MBs (or BMW or Volvo, to a lesser extent) favor.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:30 AM
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If it were me....

... I'd waive the requirement for a stick shift MB.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a manual transmission.

I currently have 4 in the fleet: 54 Chevy 1/2 ton stepside with 3 on the tree, 68 MGB with 4 speed with OD on 3 and 4, 89 Dodge-Cummins with getrag 5 speed, and a 99 Zed3 with a 5 speed.

I've also owned many MB manuals, starting with my first MB, a 190SL in 1974, and the last was a W124 300E five or six years ago.

For later MBs, W123 and up, the need for a manual moves from absolutely necessary to a depends.... By the 240D, MB had added enough HP to make the auto a viable alternative. Comparing the MB shift experience to lots of other cars most always left me disapointed in the MB action and ratios choices. By comparison, the 4 speed autos were exceptional compared to most automatics in contemporary vehicles. I enjoy manual transmissions in my cars, but I don't miss them in my MBs, and as I've aged (matured?), I find I prefer them for day to day use.

I've moved from W123 chassis cars W124 chassis cars and in my opinion, there is no comparision between them. The W124 is faster, much better handling, and gets superior mileage compared to the W123. It has all the attributes I loved in the w123, and comes with features you'd never find in a W123.

The logical upgrade from a W123 diesel is a W124 300D or E300 diesel. Not common, but they are out there in reasonable numbers.

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Old 05-14-2013, 09:17 AM
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I would get another W123 diesel.

For the life of me, I cannot explain why some are suggesting you buy an old Chevy or Ford Crown Vic?!

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If he can find another clean w123 that's always a good choice-go with what you know, etc.

If you're looking for a cheap, reliable, smooth ride a Crown Vic or Buick anything will fit the bill. My 98 LeSabre was worlds smoother than my w123. Faster, smoother, quieter, had a great stereo stock, better fuel economy, with a roomier interior. And a full brake job was only $200.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:45 PM
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I got voicemail from the insurance company. The car is totaled, which I expected. I called back too late to find out exactly what the numbers come out to.
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:20 PM
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For a reliable 80's manual with decent performance go with a e28 535is...I have a 1988 w/170k miles and almost immaculate condition. The last e28 535i I had clocked 290k miles before I sold it to a guy who drove it up to Vancouver (where it is still his daily). Plus the climate control is not as troublesome as the w123.
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:31 PM
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I got voicemail from the insurance company. The car is totaled, which I expected. I called back too late to find out exactly what the numbers come out to.
Buy it back for a parts car. You will still have money left over.
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:25 PM
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Doesn't look like anyone is letting go of the e28 sticks. They seem to be keepers whereas automatics seem to be available somewhat. There must be a reason. Same with e24s. I am in for a long wait....
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:40 PM
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Look for an E34 if your going to go BMW...

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