The stupidity of some people is dumbfounding

[Can't Know]

Disney World patron finds gun on ride

The gun's owner ... told authorities he discovered the gun was missing several minutes after leaving the ride.

[Jorn]

Originally Posted by Can't Know

Disney World patron finds gun on ride

It's his right to be dumb, don't take it away.

[t walgamuth]

Unfortunately there seems to be no IQ element required to gun ownership here.

[TheDon]

I guess no one ever reads the back of their park ticket, or the park rules, or sea common sense.

[Txjake]

In most concealed carry states, it is not against the law to carry on private property (ie Disney) unless expressly prohibited by statue. If found out, property owners may only ask you to leave. If you refuse, it may end up in a trespassing charge being levied against you. YMMV by state regarding this.

In one way, it seems like a bad place to conceal carry. On the other, Disney & other places liker this with a high concentration of all kinds of people, would indicate a high risk place to be in regards to a mass shooting or terror attack.

One thing for sure, if you are going to carry, you should secure your weapon. This guy f'd up big time.

[MTI]

I thought the general rule, including in TX, was that property owners can post that they do not want firearms on their property, concealed or not.

[elchivito]

Originally Posted by MTI

I thought the general rule, including in TX, was that property owners can post that they do not want firearms on their property, concealed or not.

They can, and Disney apparently does. This douche just thought it didn't apply to him.

[TheDon]

He was escorted off of the property. Now, thats not walking him out of the turnstiles, its a bit more involved since Disney owns around 25 or 30 square miles of land that is the WDW resort. Plus if he was staying at a Disney resort he was probably checked out early.

[Pooka]

Originally Posted by MTI

I thought the general rule, including in TX, was that property owners can post that they do not want firearms on their property, concealed or not.

Nope.

The Attorney General of Texas, at the time Ted Cruz, sued to overturn this rule that many companies had. The way the law is now is that if you have a CC permit and leave the gun in your car then it is OK to bring it on to company property even if the company has strict rules forbidding such a thing.

A lot of folks got a big laugh out of this since Cruz, who is now a Senator, is always ranting about how big government is running over the rights of business owners when he did the very same thing.

I do know of one energy company that made it clear that if you are seen with a gun in your hand on their property their security people will shoot first and ask questions later, so if you want to open carry it is up to you if you think you can get away with it.

[Simpler=Better]

Originally Posted by Txjake

One thing for sure, if you are going to carry, you should secure your weapon. This guy f'd up big time.

It's really really really simple, and even in non-carry scenarios people fail this one big time.

[BAVBMW]

Originally Posted by Pooka

Nope.


A lot of folks got a big laugh out of this since Cruz, who is now a Senator, is always ranting about how big government is running over the rights of business owners when he did the very same thing.

Not to derail a thread, but I would like to say that while I'm not a fan of big government running over the rights of anyone, if it's done to uphold the rights of the individual, I'm not terribly opposed.


As to the main point of this thread, yeah, the guy messed up. And he shouldn't have. That said, we were at Disneyland this last weekend, and the number of people who managed to lose/misplace/forget their phones/wallets/children is astounding. Maybe if we as a society could manage to calm down a little, try a little rational thought once in a while, we might be able to handle a mishap like this without much hoopla.

But I doubt that will happen.

MV

[Txjake]

Originally Posted by Pooka

I do know of one energy company that made it clear that if you are seen with a gun in your hand on their property their security people will shoot first and ask questions later, so if you want to open carry it is up to you if you think you can get away with it.

The first time they do that and cap an otherwise law abiding citizen, someone will own there ass, and quite reasonably so.

[JB3]

Originally Posted by BAVBMW

Not to derail a thread, but I would like to say that while I'm not a fan of big government running over the rights of anyone, if it's done to uphold the rights of the individual, I'm not terribly opposed.


As to the main point of this thread, yeah, the guy messed up. And he shouldn't have. That said, we were at Disneyland this last weekend, and the number of people who managed to lose/misplace/forget their phones/wallets/children is astounding. Maybe if we as a society could manage to calm down a little, try a little rational thought once in a while, we might be able to handle a mishap like this without much hoopla.

But I doubt that will happen.

MV

Sure, because its definitely possible for a kid to blow off the top of mickeys head with a lost wallet he found on a ride. Rational thought would lead us to the difference in public danger between a lost gun and other lost posessions

As far as I'm concerned if you went to the trouble to get a CC permit and are guilty of this level of stupidity with losing the weapon and not immediately picking it up, you should lose the CC permit for all time. If people stood the chance to lose the permit forever if they lose the gun, we can bet they start using appropriate holsters that would prevent this

[BAVBMW]

Originally Posted by JB3

Sure, because its definitely possible for a kid to blow off the top of mickeys head with a lost wallet he found on a ride. Rational thought would lead us to the difference in public danger between a lost gun and other lost posessions

As far as I'm concerned if you went to the trouble to get a CC permit and are guilty of this level of stupidity with losing the weapon and not immediately picking it up, you should lose the CC permit for all time. If people stood the chance to lose the permit forever if they lose the gun, we can bet they start using appropriate holsters that would prevent this

Well, see, there went the part about rational thought. If we'd try to overcome the hype, and admit that guns are inanimate objects that neither act on their own, nor cause individuals to immediately start shooting, we could begin to educate youngsters to do what most do naturally, namely, leave the gun alone and tell an adult. And then the adults, with a minimum of instruction, could be able to safely maintain control of the gun until someone with adequate knowledge could take over. It's not that hard. It just requires a little common sense, and a willingness to compromise.

As far as the other lost possessions, the wallets and phones neither concern nor alarm me all that much. But the number of misplaced children is a bit more serious. I would tend to think that those who are so concerned about the safety of the children when it comes to a gun, would feel that losing several children a day might be something to address.

I do agree that losing the gun is unacceptable. However, it doesn't seem to me like the guy was casual about it, as soon as he noticed it, he went straight back and alerted the cast members. I didn't see what type of holster he was using, so I can't comment on that, but I know that doesn't stop others from commenting.

MV

[JB3]

Originally Posted by BAVBMW

Well, see, there went the part about rational thought. If we'd try to overcome the hype, and admit that guns are inanimate objects that neither act on their own, nor cause individuals to immediately start shooting, we could begin to educate youngsters to do what most do naturally, namely, leave the gun alone and tell an adult. And then the adults, with a minimum of instruction, could be able to safely maintain control of the gun until someone with adequate knowledge could take over. It's not that hard. It just requires a little common sense, and a willingness to compromise.

As far as the other lost possessions, the wallets and phones neither concern nor alarm me all that much. But the number of misplaced children is a bit more serious. I would tend to think that those who are so concerned about the safety of the children when it comes to a gun, would feel that losing several children a day might be something to address.

I do agree that losing the gun is unacceptable. However, it doesn't seem to me like the guy was casual about it, as soon as he noticed it, he went straight back and alerted the cast members. I didn't see what type of holster he was using, so I can't comment on that, but I know that doesn't stop others from commenting.

MV

So you are basically saying that a lost loaded firearm holds the same weight as other lost personal items? Despite its lethality in the wrong hands? I have no problem with educating kids not to touch and get an adult, but the reality of just how many fools there are in the world means that while a percentage of kids or adults may do as you suggest, there is also the other percentage who may play with it. Its irrational to downplay the danger of a lost weapon like this.
I don't care how reasonable and responsible the gun owner was AFTER he lost the weapon, the fact still remains that he allowed himself to forget it in th first place and it wasn't he just dropped it and went looking for it. He entirely forgot it on the ride, then returned later, which was good, but still the guy does not impress me.

Lost kids are another issue to worry about unrelated