I doubt that there has ever been any point in time when those who are astute and correct have been the majority.

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Those who wanted to abolish slavery were in the majority, but no doubt they weren't astute or correct.

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I read what is written and I respond to it. I am not a mind reader, so if you wrote something and really meant something else it is not my job, nor within my capacity to know what you really meant.

You can recant, apologize, captilate for what you wrote, but what you can't expect me to do is ignore that you're suddenly changing subjects. That He was called God before "several centuries" as you claimed. Duh. See, there you go again.

First you said "figure of extreme importance" now you say "major religion".

Which is it? Should I believe your words then or now? Or is it more likely that you are conflating the issues? Nope, none of that is accurate. But thanks for the insults. And I have no problem with that statement. If by "major religion" you mean that they were not a significant (>50%) portion of the population until then. Except, as it has been stated NUMEROUS times, we have proof that the earliest Christians considered him God.

So it's time for you to accept that you are wrong on this point and stop continuing in your error.I suggest you deal with the evidence proving you wrong. That is what is so frustrating to me.

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Some early Christians did. Others didn't.

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Thanks for proving my point.

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Might makes right; eh?

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If SOME did, then isn't it obvious that some did NOT? Is that all you got?

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And from Paul's letters we find them being called "false teachers" and them being condemned and cast out of the community.

But lets just call them "Christians" too because they say they are....

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No. From a logical point of view, 'some' means "at least one and possibly all".

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I said this-

"Secondly its only after the extreme passage of time that he's been deified, several hundred years before he was made into a religious figure of extreme importance. "

Ive also clarified this a few times, though you seem to be incapable to digesting my viewpoint unfortunately. My clarification was that I considered the spreading of christianity several hundred years later as the true growth of jesus as a figure of extreme importance, and as chrisitianity as a major religion, certainly by 313 where Constatine essentially legitimized it via his radical change in faith and full support.

Right, and we've agreed on that point numerous times. Earliest christians called jesus god, and you have proof that earliest christians called jesus god, not that anyone was god, or that any such thing as god exists.

Thats where your confusion seems to be it seems, for you, its proof of what your believe, for me, its proof that you believe what you believe, not that its actually true.

Because you believe that jesus was god, means that if other christians 2000 years ago believed the same thing, then it must be true. I don't buy it.

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Paul's views weren't the only views in early Christianity. The fact that Paul thought they weren't Christians doesn't mean that they weren't.

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Then why do you keep saying the opposite?

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I proved your point by saying that the majority of the county wanted to abolish slavery? Were they wrong?

I thought you said that there has never been an instance where the majority was in the right.

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we agree they said that, sure. And as ive said again and again, we are so far apart in our beliefs that you and I will not agree.

I don't take the statements of a man 2000 years ago calling jesus god as any more proof than your statements now calling jesus god. To me its the same thing, a man making a statement because thats what they believe, not necessarily a statement of fact.

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