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Old 07-03-2013, 12:22 PM
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Please. It has nothing to do with tax money. Were it a tax issue, money would be thrown at PP by the bucket full. It is far cheaper to abort an unwanted fetus than it would be to have the state pay for per-natal care, hospital cost for the birth, food stamps, educations and what not for those who cannot afford to have a child in the first place. Abortion is the cheapest 'solution' not the most expensive.

Speaking of prevention. Can you name a conservative backed program that focuses on preventing pregnancies? Let's dispense with the abstinence idea since that did not eve work for Palin, her daughter or her son all of whom had children out of wedlock. Bristol is still a single parent right?

Not like the conservatives in favor of eliminating abortions have an solutions to help prevent unwanted pregnancies or all the children who are currently up for adoption.
The People that object to Tax Money being used to fund Abortions don't care about the expense to bring a Baby to term or the cost of taking care of it till it is an Adult. They really do believe it is Murder to kill Fetus. The don't want to contribute even one Penny to Murder.

How did this situation become the responsibility of only Constrictive groups.
When I was a Teenager My Father bought Me Condoms and there was a lot of times I abstained from having Sex; even as an Adult. The result of that is no one so far has come to the Door with a Baby and said this is your Kid.

Some of the reasons I abstained from having Sex where that if I had a Child I would have tried to take care of it and I knew I was not ready for that. The other reason is I did not want to be stuck having an long term association with the Mother with out some deep Feeling (call it Love if you like)for the Mother.
In other Words I did it (well didn't do it) to exercise some control over the direction of My Life.
I also made a decision not to be a Substance abuser; something else that can lead to unwanted pregnancies.

So it is clear that I believe:
Teaching and supplying Teenagers with contraceptives is the responsibility of the Parents.

Prevention of unwanted pregnancies is the responsibility of the Persons involved not the responsibility of some Group.

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Choice does not denote only abortion.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:26 PM
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Killing a vicious MURDERER who had no compassion for an innocent victim is punishment for an action. Killing an unborn child that is TOTALLY and unquestionably innocent is murder.
Why not just incarcerate the MURDERER and, upon his eventual death, let his soul be punished by the Lord? What gives you the right to enable the taking of his life?
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:28 PM
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That's exactly right Tx. That's why I responded a few days ago to the claim that I was a hypocrite. I think the hypocrite is the liberal who is perfectly fine with murdering an innocent unborn child, but will give an evil, convicted murderer a free pass. Makes no sense.
So you want to protect the innocent unborn but kill someone who may or may not have performed an act of murder. Seems that your moral plane is no higher than those who support abortion and are anti-death penalty.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:31 PM
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That's exactly right Tx. That's why I responded a few days ago to the claim that I was a hypocrite. I think the hypocrite is the liberal who is perfectly fine with murdering an innocent unborn child, but will give an evil, convicted murderer a free pass. Makes no sense.
You do realize that Tx just inferred that your position on this issue has a political, not moral basis. Are you sure that you want to agree with that? Makes toting that Bible around all day seem more and more like an affectation...
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:34 PM
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You do realize that Tx just inferred that your position on this issue has a political, not moral basis. Are you sure that you want to agree with that? Makes toting that Bible around all day seem more and more like an affectation...
Not an affectation at *ALL* if it's an autographed first Edition
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:35 PM
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Not an affectation at *ALL* if it's an autographed first Edition
Did they use a Sharpie back then?
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:39 PM
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Choice does not denote only abortion.
Sadly this statement has sailed over the heads of those who need to grasp it the most.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:13 PM
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We could ( and probably will ) argue these points forever but the real questions is, how do you put that cork back into the bottle? Only by force could that happen and the C's don't like the government forcing them to do anything. And, it's always their money that's being spent or wasted on something they don't agree with.

So, it's back to coat hangers? The ones who can afford it will go to a place where they will pay for what they want. The poor will......simply make more poor people. Regardless, it will be women who end up paying for this, not your tax dollars.

I believe that anyone who decides to go this route does it with more than a certain amount of fear or anguish and are usually not flipant about it.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:45 PM
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Actually, looking at it from a strictly human geographic standpoint, if anything, the US needs to increase the birthrate in order for the US to maintain its stage three status in the demographic transition model. In simpler terms, the US wants to maintain a birthrate that is close to the death rate so that there is not a disparity in the number of working people vs the number of elderly, retired people like there is in other western countries and Japan (stage four in the model). The main reason we want to maintain a close ratio of births to deaths is that Social Security is only viable under its current format. The taxes of one working person cannot support the Social Security benefits of two or more elderly people if they receive their full benefits.
Japan is in a pronounced state of the condition you refer to in part owing to their high density. Take away the sq. miles of uninhabitable mountains, and Japan is perhaps the most densely populated nation on earth. When I hear the predictions about California's population doubling in X number of years, it's sorta scary.

Social Security working out as we'd all like it to is somewhat apart from the realities of resources and density.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:04 PM
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sorta hard to feel empathy for buffoons like this....

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I mean, really, come on.."hail satan"? WTF? That's gonna get them lots of supporters...........
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:05 PM
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^ so?
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:20 PM
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^ so?
1. satanism is a religion, so antireligious people are most likely going to dislike them

2. anyone who is Christian is going to be pissed at them for worshipping the dark side. So will other religiou sorts

3. Its just sophomoric nonsense: "oh look they're sing amazing grace, lets chant hail satan!"

4. even MOR people will be pissed by this stand, ergo, they are not pulling many, if any people to their side by this stupidity.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:22 PM
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1. satanism is a religion, so antireligious people are most likely going to dislike them

2. anyone who is Christian is going to be pissed at them for worshipping the dark side. So will other religiou sorts

3. Its just sophomoric nonsense: "oh look they're sing amazing grace, lets chant hail satan!"

4. even MOR people will be pissed by this stand, ergo, they are not pulling many, if any people to their side by this stupidity.
Aren't you the guy who constantly derides PC?
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:24 PM
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Aren't you the guy who constantly derides PC?
WTF does that have to do with this? not a PC issue...step away from the bong....

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