Being that un-named other poster, I have a great appreciation for history. The roots of much of liberal politics are in the past, and you refuse to acknowledge your own heritage.
I guess because you accuse me of being a racist, that means I must be--is that your logic?

I think racism is used much as the Soviets used to use people that called "useful idiots"--people who unwittingly further the Soviet cause without knowing it.

Do I believe that there is zero racism? NOT at all. But I don't believe its the primary motive for all non-white behavior.
I have been opposed to left wing policies since Goldwater--and most liberal politicians over the years have been white. I was only accused of racism when Barack Obama began his run. Does that make me a racist, or simply a paleo Conservative?
Stop making racism the cause for every issue, and I'll stop reminding you of W. Wilson, and M. Sanger. ( but if you look at what they wanted, you will see the democrats have managed to make considerable progress toward their goals.)

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I don't accuse you at all for being a racist, I doubt you are one and to be frank I don't really care. Racism is more of a problem for the racist (the one that lives in hate and fear) than the people he hates because of their skin. But I do find you excuses for not being a racist fascinating; It's like you are trying to justify it because the "other" side is racist as well. And I aree they are; racism doesn't follow politics.

The real problem I have is that most white Americans can not imagen how it is to be black in America in the 21st century and wave the existence of racism away because they don't see it or experience it. I call this a naive form of racism; harmfull but not filled with hate.

I'm confused about what you mean about "my heritage"; do you mean me being a liberal (and to be honest I don't even know what a liberal is) or the fact that the Dutch were the last ones to ship slaves from Africa to America?

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So it is some of your fault?



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Based on his looks I imagine GZ has experienced racism.

I will say that it is real easy to tell the ppl that are racist against me. They won't pay their car repair bill when it comes time to pay the mechanic. Color or nationality do not seem to make any difference. I turn their work down nowadays.

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A little...

The shameful part is that the Dutch were one of the first to abolish slavery on Dutch soil, but were the last European country to abolish the trade of slaves. The Dutch were also the most efficient slave traders, they got the most yield.

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Racism is not the issue it once was. To claim so is dishonest.

Obama is just an idiot that happens to be black. No racism. Truth be told, if he wasnt such a progressive liar he could have really shifted the paradigm but he chose to push an agenda instead of lead.

If Trayvon was white and was wailing away at some armed guy he would be a dead white guy. Race is used as a leverage for the most part. Cant attach an agenda as easily without race. Shame due to the fact that this draws the attention away from the real racism out there.

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Shameful now. But when slavery was one of the natural estates of man, slaves were merely a product for trading. Yes, condemn it by todays standards, of course. But to understand it completely it is necessary to understand the context of the time. Understanding is necessary for control of the trade. Lack of understanding is the primary driver of the present day slave trade, for the practitioners.

I am reminded of the author of the hymn, "Amazing Grace". He had an epiphany at sea that changed his life and affected the course of history which echo to this day. Amazing Grace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bill Moyers did a PBS program on the song that is itself, amazing.

Because we live in other times doesn't make it less shameful. Even some of the founding fathers thought it was shameful and gave their slaves their freedom back.

And that the Dutch abolished slavery at home before they stopped the trade of slaves to America, shows that it was even controversial then.

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Read my first sentence.

1) Racism is racism. But if you're referring to Institutional racism yes you are right things have changed. Having a black president is the best example of that.

2) Blaming the president for the racial divide at the moment only shows what was simmering below the service all along. And why would a black man shift the paradigm and is he not already doing so by becoming the first black president?

3) Trayvon was followed by Zimmerman because he was black, it was reported that black youth was breaking in houses wearing hoodies; Trayvon was profilled because of his skin color. If a white guy was walking there with a bag of skittles he would most likely be still alive and Zimmerman would not even approached him. But that's just speculation on my part because no one besides Zimmerman knows what really happened that day.

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I don't think I really understand what you're saying. But if I go by your line: "when slavery was one of the natural estates of man, slaves were merely a product for trading". Was that the general thought of the people in European cities at the time? There were many movements all across Europe to abolish slavery. The Abolition of slavery in Europe started around 1000/1100.

I don't see why the shame then would be different from the shame I expressed in my post now.

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You must have skipped right over that first sentence twice.

Up until the Renaissance, slavery was considered one of the natural estates of man. As the value of human life increased over the value of livestock for the same amount of work, the predominant views on slavery began to change. The Dutch plied their dangerous trade while Europe reached a cusp in changing attitudes. It wasn't an event, it was a 300 year process.

Didn't skipped that line, read it multiple times trying to figure out what you were trying to tell. But I failed, I apologize.

The proces was a little longer than 300 years, it started in Italy around 1100 and went on 'till the early 1800's. And it got reintroduced in the '30 and 40's by the Germans.

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Like Obama supporters.

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