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Why do we care what Buffet is for or against? Makes no sense to me. This is like me saying "I won a race yesterday with this camshaft. Therefore, you also need this in your car.". Great for you. However, whether your needs for your race car is similar to my street car is a different story. It is easy for you to advocate spending my money. All you have told me is "I benefit from this action so I an using my influence to get you to think this way.". If Tiger Woods wants to tell me off the record that he has great luck with Brand X clubs, I might listen. OTOH, WTF does he know about Buick or Tag Heuer watches besides the fact he gets a check from them?
W. Buffet is for W. Buffet only he is not investing in companies to increase employment. He is also not for any fiscal control as then less dollars would flow to his companies. If there was ever an example of trickle up economics it would be him.

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Simple answer to the Koch Brothers . . . follow the money.

"The Exam" commercial featuring creepy Uncle Sam in woman's ob/gyn visit . . . produced by conservative group titled Generation Opportunity . . . which gets a lot of funding from . . . yeah, you know.
Or anyone, ESPECIALLY when they tell you how much they care about you. We train dogs using the principle NILIF. Something we should learn too.

Just another advertisement to sway people.
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W. Buffet is for W. Buffet only he is not investing in companies to increase employment. He is also not for any fiscal control as then less dollars would flow to his companies. If there was ever an example of trickle up economics it would be him.
Should we expect more from a person? Should we really expect that those pretty speeches are what they really feel? If it profits me today to join the Republican party, I'm so there. Democrat? Why not? Many people joined the Nazi party simply because it would get them benefits and not because they were true believers in the cause.

As Winston Zeddmore in Ghostbusters said:

Janine Melnitz: Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?
Winston Zeddemore: Ah, if there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.
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W. Buffet is for W. Buffet only he is not investing in companies to increase employment. He is also not for any fiscal control as then less dollars would flow to his companies. If there was ever an example of trickle up economics it would be him.
He has made numerous statements indicating things which he feels are poor decisions by our government which he is a beneficiary of.

I have a pretty healthy respect for the man's opinion.

And, I am not jealous of him because he is wealthy.....

I would prefer if he and the Koch's and all the other super wealthy would not try to steer american politics with their money, but I would prefer a lot of things that are never going to happen.
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Or anyone, ESPECIALLY when they tell you how much they care about you. We train dogs using the principle NILIF. Something we should learn too.

Just another advertisement to sway people .
Advertising's premise is to sell you sh7t and call it toothpaste so you will buy it.
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He has made numerous statements indicating things which he feels are poor decisions by our government which he is a beneficiary of.

I would prefer if he and the Koch's and all the other super wealthy would not try to steer american politics with their money, but I would prefer a lot of things that are never going to happen.
I don't follow. I am against SS, for example. What you seem to be saying is that I cannot be against SS and still draw a check DUE TO THE FACT THAT I PAID INTO THE SYSTEM PREVIOUSLY. As long as it is legal, why not? When it becomes illegal, stop it.

Why not? We all try to sway it as much towards what we want. Why not him?
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Advertising's premise is to sell you sh7t and call it toothpaste so you will buy it.
And it works because people are gullible and foolish enough. Why was Hitler able to do what he did? Because he was a master orator and could sway others, many others. Fools being parted from their money is pretty much the order of things.

My thought is that people are generally wanting to believe that someone or something cares for them so they latch onto it, be it religion, some wonderful speech that moves them, etc, etc. As I have always said, people care about you to the extent that it is in their interest. While we have an interest in each other, we are BFF. When that changes, well.....
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And it works because people are gullible and foolish enough. Why was Hitler able to do what he did? Because he was a master orator and could sway others, many others. Fools being parted from their money is pretty much the order of things.

My thought is that people are generally wanting to believe that someone or something cares for them so they latch onto it, be it religion, some wonderful speech that moves them, etc, etc. As I have always said, people care about you to the extent that it is in their interest. While we have an interest in each other, we are BFF. When that changes, well.....
Advertising at its finest:

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Simple answer to the Koch Brothers . . . follow the money.

"The Exam" commercial featuring creepy Uncle Sam in woman's ob/gyn visit . . . produced by conservative group titled Generation Opportunity . . . which gets a lot of funding from . . . yeah, you know.
My rich guys spend their money to help people and they love their country.

Your rich guys are enslaving the people and subverting America.
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My rich guys spend their money to help people and they love their country.

Your rich guys are enslaving the people and subverting America.
Rich people are interested their bottom line, patriotism is for suckers.
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I don't know the Koch brothers, but I have had business dealings with Koch. They are like every independent oil business person I have ever dealt with: They don't trust anyone and think they are smart because they are lucky.

And the worst of the lot are those that came into the money through their father. The Koch's old man was sharp and always on the lookout for a way to spread the wealth around. Not because he was a Robin Hood or anything but because he thought only an idiot would put all their eggs in one basket. As H. L. Hunt once said: Money is like manure. It only works if you spread it around.

So Hunt spread it and so did daddy Koch. H. L. Hunt spent millions on crackpot theories of how to make the world a better place, but somehow the better place was a better place for him and not really anyone else.

When H. L.'s sons took over the family business they set themselves up as the smartest people in the room and everyone fleeced them without mercy. The Koch's are learning an expensive lesson: No one gives a hoot about what they think, but if they keep the cash flowing there are folks out there that will tell them they are the saviors of the free world.

Sid Richardson (if you don't know who that is then do a wiki search) took a different approach. He left almost every dime to his foundation which spent the money on the Boy Scouts and cultural museums. He left his company to his nephews, now known as the Bass Brothers, who he knew would work hard to earn what they made and not spend everything trying to impress everyone with how smart they are. I was told once that Sid took a lesson from King Lear and apparently it paid off.

There is a saying in the Old South for the situation the Koch's find themselves in: They punched the tar baby. Now they can't get free no matter how hard they try.

Romans 1:22 is an apt verse for their situation.
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Rich people are interested their bottom line, patriotism is for suckers.
Who isn't interested in their bottom line? Rich, poor or in between, it is all about their bottom line. Why single out the rich? Everyone has an agenda and takes payment in different currencies but they still take payment.
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They forgot to mention a warm moist exhaust at the back and a cool suction in the engine bay.

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