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Old 10-14-2013, 11:18 PM
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Property is not worth my life or well being.
Unless it is mine, you bet it isn't. It's worth YOUR life to go do the dirty work.

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Old 10-15-2013, 06:38 PM
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¡¡¡ Ay qué macho, qué huevos! Qué cojones tienes cabrón !!!
My DOG elchivito!! I had a Polish Spanish teacher in 7th grade! What did you just throw at me???

Something about "Macho" and "small balls in a mouse-trap" or "big" something or other???

Help me out. I can't tell if you're busting my chops or patting me on the back!!!
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:13 PM
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Help me out. I can't tell if you're busting my chops or patting me on the back!!!
Or maybe showing off that he can speak the language?
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I parked near the fenced in garden products section of a big box store. As I was walking towards the store, I see two electric tool cases come flying over the top of the fence and land in the parking lot. I thought, "This is interesting, I should watch." So, I went back to my car and got inside. A few minutes later a guy walks out of the store, comes around the fenced in area, looks all around, picks up the tools and starts walking away. Two guys then come around the corner from the store and start chasing him. They tackled him and pinned him to the ground. Good work.
i would have gone up and grabbed the tools and threw em back over the fence.guy comes out says "wtf"
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The mindless dumbassification of America into the safety straight jacket continues. Notice the stores bs press release. It starts right off about safety. You know what you dumbasses? I don't need to hear a billion damm safety notices ever five friggin seconds about how you're on a friggin crusade for the safety of your imbecile customers who are evidently incapable of walking across the aisle without encountering lebensgefahr!

It starts in the schools. Quite staggering how much time and energy is wasted on safety drivvle. It's truly amazing that any education gets sandwiched in between being safe. I actually witnessed with my own eyes one adult admonish another for "running" on a campus the other day. The incredible thing was that the "runner" she wasn't running of course, merely hurrying along, actually listened to the other one and slowed down and apologized for being "unsafe"

By the time kids get out of school they'll be so zombified I doubt they'll have much ability to show the slightest initiative. The idea of doing anything whatsoever like this woman did won't even occur to them.

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Or maybe showing off that he can speak the language?
hmmmm... showing off that he speaks the language intrinsic to his area..

I think that's a new one for me...
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My take-

Used to work for TJ-Maxx way back in the day. Store policy of not interfering with shop liftng was blatant then as well. They went on and on about it during employee orientation, but they explained a bit further, which maybe lowes and other big chain stores also suffer from.
Seems a TJMaxx, something like 85% of product theft is from employees, not from customers. Result of minimum wage high turnover I guess, but the store had evolved theft policy around protecting itself from its biggest danger, its employees.

As a result, loss recovery and store security was a completely separate organism from the rest of the employees because they spent more time watching employees than anyone else. We were told to not involve ourselves in shoplifting by customers, as 1. The store had excellent camera systems and those people would not get away with it long term, and 2. Dealing with shoplifting was the responsibility of the loss recovery and theft people, not general employees.

I remember some knucklehead tried to run out of the store with a bunch of jeans, and two guys popped out of what I had always assumed was a mirrored wall, but turned out to have a door in it, and tackled the kid in the parking lot. I had been working there for over a year part time, and had never see these two guys before in my life. They apparently came in to the store before the rest of us, punched in somewhere else, ect.
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:02 PM
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Most companies have this policy in place. As I said earlier, theft is quite specific. Check with your local DA if you doubt it.
The Policy mostly makes sense because it prevents the Employee from getting Hurt and avoids any sort of Legal action by the Criminal.

But, there is also the question as to how much time the Company devoted to drilling that into their Employees.

Does telling Children something one time get them to do what you want? Or, do you need to tell them many many times?
And, Adults can be much worse then Children.
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:07 PM
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The Policy mostly makes sense because it prevents the Employee from getting Hurt and avoids any sort of Legal action by the Criminal.

But, there is also the question as to how much time the Company devoted to drilling that into their Employees.

Does telling Children something one time get them to do what you want? Or, do you need to tell them many many times?
And, Adults can be much worse then Children.
That wold be the problem of the employee. I was given a general over view of the company rules. Given a hand book. I read it. I was told to sign a piece of paper that said I got a hand book and would be responsible for knowing it's content.

I understand not to get involved in any thing I suspect is theft. I talked to one of our loss prevention folks and he told me to call him or a manager. Said theft is not theft till it leaves the building. Said he is trained and I am not.

Perhaps Ms 18 yr employee should have asked before she jumped. I am sure this is not the first time she saw someone do this.
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The mindless dumbassification of America into the safety straight jacket continues. Notice the stores bs press release. It starts right off about safety. You know what you dumbasses? I don't need to hear a billion damm safety notices ever five friggin seconds about how you're on a friggin crusade for the safety of your imbecile customers who are evidently incapable of walking across the aisle without encountering lebensgefahr!

It starts in the schools. Quite staggering how much time and energy is wasted on safety drivvle. It's truly amazing that any education gets sandwiched in between being safe. I actually witnessed with my own eyes one adult admonish another for "running" on a campus the other day. The incredible thing was that the "runner" she wasn't running of course, merely hurrying along, actually listened to the other one and slowed down and apologized for being "unsafe"

By the time kids get out of school they'll be so zombified I doubt they'll have much ability to show the slightest initiative. The idea of doing anything whatsoever like this woman did won't even occur to them.

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[QUOTE=aklim;3223032]Who knows. All I can say is that it would be as bad if not worse. But what's your point? That the one swallow makes a spring? Look at all the splendors of mankind. It is a safer bet that someone given the means, motive and opportunity will do bad things than right. As they say, the race doesn't always go to the strongest or the swiftest but it is the way to bet.

Possibly. But for what do I stick my neck out and possibly get it chopped off for?

Perhaps so but look at what she gets out of it.[/QUOTE]

I doubt if the loss of Her job at Lowes will have much effect on Her life.
Perhaps She needs to consider a career in Law Enforcement.
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:18 PM
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Neither Children or Adults follow Safety Rules all the time; especially when it is not convent for them to do so. About all you can do is to keep reminding them.
She was reminded with a pink slip. Not the companies problem that some people are non-compliant. Rules are there for a reason. Run a red light often enough and odds are you will get caught and punished. Might get busted on the first violation. Who knows. "I did not know" is not a valid excuse in a court of law. I tried it and it did not work.
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:28 PM
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Ever saw the show with Kenny Rodgers "The Gambler". He had a derringer on 4 guys. They told him that even if he did kill 2, there would be 2 left. Asked them which two would step up and take the bullets so the other two could do the killing. If people were good, Marx would be right and the world would be a good place. Unfortunately, man is bad and won't do the right thing. Our laws are there to make sure that there is some deterrent so that we ourselves won't get killed, maimed, etc, etc. If we could all be good people, we wouldn't need to have such law enforcement.

Doubtful. It is safe to steal from any place that doesn't want to risk any issues and get insurance to pay for it and stick it to the paying customer.
I don't believe a Store can publicize that they are an easy mark for Thieves and have any good come from that; compared to a Store that remains silent.

Concerning the Movie what it reminds Me of is that Criminals are less likely to do something that is not directly for their own benefit than what I am generically going to say is a Decent Person.

Like the People who came to the aid of the SUV Diver attacked by the Bikers.
Decent People are more likely to and often do take a risk even when it is not to their own benefit to do so.

Criminals look at the odds verses the gains. If the odds are not in their favor the don't act or leave the scene; assuming they are Sober.

Clearly the odds were not in favor of someone helping the SUV Driver.
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Neither Children or Adults follow Safety Rules all the time; especially when it is not convent for them to do so. About all you can do is to keep reminding them.
No, you fire the adults that cannot and/or will not adhere to the policy.
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Old 10-16-2013, 06:10 PM
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I doubt if the loss of Her job at Lowes will have much effect on Her life.

Perhaps She needs to consider a career in Law Enforcement.
I have never found being fired helps much unless you are trying to invent a silver lining for this cloud.

Doubtful. They have even more rules and if she cannot follow them here, what makes you think that she can follow them as a cop?

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