Originally Posted by Diesel911

I don't believe a Store can publicize that they are an easy mark for Thieves and have any good come from that; compared to a Store that remains silent.

Concerning the Movie what it reminds Me of is that Criminals are less likely to do something that is not directly for their own benefit than what I am generically going to say is a Decent Person.

Like the People who came to the aid of the SUV Diver attacked by the Bikers.
Decent People are more likely to and often do take a risk even when it is not to their own benefit to do so.

Criminals look at the odds verses the gains. If the odds are not in their favor the don't act or leave the scene; assuming they are Sober.

Clearly the odds were not in favor of someone helping the SUV Driver.

Originally Posted by pj67coll

The mindless dumbassification of America into the safety straight jacket continues. Notice the stores bs press release. It starts right off about safety. You know what you dumbasses? I don't need to hear a billion damm safety notices ever five friggin seconds about how you're on a friggin crusade for the safety of your imbecile customers who are evidently incapable of walking across the aisle without encountering lebensgefahr!

It starts in the schools. Quite staggering how much time and energy is wasted on safety drivvle. It's truly amazing that any education gets sandwiched in between being safe. I actually witnessed with my own eyes one adult admonish another for "running" on a campus the other day. The incredible thing was that the "runner" she wasn't running of course, merely hurrying along, actually listened to the other one and slowed down and apologized for being "unsafe"

By the time kids get out of school they'll be so zombified I doubt they'll have much ability to show the slightest initiative. The idea of doing anything whatsoever like this woman did won't even occur to them.

- Peter.

Originally Posted by aklim

I have never found being fired helps much unless you are trying to invent a silver lining for this cloud.

Doubtful. They have even more rules and if she cannot follow them here, what makes you think that she can follow them as a cop?

Originally Posted by aklim

OK. Chalk up one for the good guys. Now ask yourself, how many bad deeds are being done every second and see if the good outweighs the bad. It's not to say you cannot hit a triple 6 on 3 dice but the odds are against you getting it. If you want to bet your money on it, go for it. I'll bet against.

Originally Posted by pj67coll

I don't need to hear a billion damm safety notices ever five friggin seconds about how you're on a friggin crusade for the safety of your imbecile customers who are evidently incapable of walking across the aisle without encountering lebensgefahr!

Originally Posted by Air&Road

I hear this kind of safety shlt all the time and it's sickening. What the safety sermons basically say is that you are too stupid to take care of yourself. Quite insulting. In reality, it's the lawyers that have driven us to this point.

Originally Posted by Diesel911

I have been Fired from 3 Jobs since I started Working as a Teenager in 1967 and I have quite maybe 3 times that many Jobs.
None of that made much difference to My Life because I remained Single until I was 45 Years old.
Around when I was 43 Years Old I wrote to the Mortgage company and ask them how Much cash it would take when the Next new Year came to Pay off the Mortgage.
They said 18 thousand and something and I paid it completely (and the Mortgage Company was not happy about that). This means I don't need a lot of income to live on.

When ever possible I saved Money to the extent that I always had a Safety Net and was lucky enough not to have any serious Money draining Health issues.

Originally Posted by Diesel911

My view is people are mostly good; if that were not so We would all have to belong to some Gang in order to survive.

Originally Posted by aklim

But the gang might throw you under the bus too. If you think that people are mostly good, why is there so much ill going on vs good?

Originally Posted by Diesel911

That is just a chance you need to take. Not to mention a Gang might throw Me under the Bus right now; something like that would be more common if everyone was bad.
If everyone was bad it would be like being in a Prison.
And, individual cannot effectively protect His or Herself; but unlike in a Prison there would be no Guard that might save You from an attack.

The daily situation when you walk out the Door is the answer. If everyone was bad there would be no Law; I mean Zero Law.
You would only have Your Gangs Rules/Law to go buy.

It would be Jungle Time; kill or be killed; eat or be eaten.

Originally Posted by aklim

As long as the means, motive and opportunity are NOT present, sure. Soon as the right prompting comes along, well..... An individual cannot adequately protect themselves so they ganged up and make certain agreements to ensure their own safety. Much like a gang.

We DO already have gang laws and rules. We make up rules for effective functioning much like a gang would make up their rules, ceremonies, etc, etc otherwise they too would not be able to function.

It is already that way. We are forming a gang as surely as the one you speak of except we are a weaker bunch of individuals that need to huddle together. Society is a gang in itself with their own rules.

Originally Posted by Diesel911

No it is not the same.

Originally Posted by aklim

What is the difference between the old USSR gang vs the USA gang? In essence it is a bunch of people that have something in common. You have a structure be it a motorcycle gang and it's rules just like a country or a town has it's rules.